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Januar-Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« am: 23 Juli 2009, 22:26:44 »
Die bisher bekannten Daten sind hier zu finden:

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« Letzte Änderung: 28 Februar 2010, 22:56:32 von t-geronimo »
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Re: Januar 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #1 am: 26 September 2010, 19:20:11 »
JANUAR-KORREKTUREN von IGOR BORISENKO

2.1.45
K-56 attacked with 4 torpedoes.
9.1.45
SC-307 attacked convoy Pi 266 Pillau – Libau, (ELLA HALM, tanker JULIUS RUTGRERS, Schlepper MARTHA, V.317).
16.1.45
SC-307 attacked with 4 torpedoes.
16.1.45
SC-407 – one torpedo can’t leave TT, i.e. fired 3 tropedoes
26.1.45
L-3 laid mines twice: in 03.58 (1 mine 57.26,1 - 21.26) and in 04.17-04.58 (9 mines between 57.26,7 - 21.25,2 and 57.27,6 - 21.25,2).
31.1.45
L-3  there no evidence in documents about this sightings.
« Letzte Änderung: 26 September 2010, 19:30:35 von TW »

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Re: Februar 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #2 am: 26 September 2010, 19:21:32 »
FEBRUAR-KORREKTUREN von IGOR BORISENKO.

1.2.45
Soviet subs not conducted attacks that day.
4.2.45
L-3 attack T.28. In 10.13 T-boote give Alarm, evaded from 1 torpedo. With she was T.33 (dropped DC).
4.2.45   
SC-318 attacked in 22.00. in pos. 56.17,5 - 20.26,5. Commander supposed sinking of only one of 6000-t transport, second was “damaged”.
6.2.45
K-51 - K-N 7 and K-N 20 was Fischboote, not lighter or barges.
10.2.45
S-13 attacked in pos. 55.18 - 16.38,5. In convoy was STEUBEN, T.196, ТF.10. Commander think, that light cruiser of “EMDEN”-type was sunk.
12.2.45
SC-407 – one torpedo didn’t leave TT, i.e. attacked with 3 torpedoes.
13.2.45
LEMBIT – M.421 sunk on british magnetic mine, away from sub’s minefield
23.2.45
SC-309 attack in pos. 56.24,6 - 20.02,9. Convoy: GOTTINGEN, tanker GERDMOOR, M.602/328/801, R.243. Only 100-130 people died.

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Re: März 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #3 am: 26 September 2010, 19:22:49 »
MÄRZ-KORREKTUREN von IGOR BORISENKO.

1.3.45
K-52 supposed, that transporter 6000 t was attacked.
4.3.45
K-52 – attack in pos. 55.14,7 - 17.16,8
7.3.45
K-52 – in 02.19 mistakable fired from rear TT instead fore. Attacked was DD/T-boote from force of ADMIRAL SCHEER, LUTZOW, Z.34/43, Т.23/33.
13.3.45
L-21 laid mines in 10.20-10.39 between 54.35,5 - 18.52 and 54.34,8 - 18.51,1
16.3.45
U.367 sunk SE from L-21’s mines, or according to unknown SOS radio – in AO9573, far from minefield too. Not a L-21;s victim.
18.3.45
M.801 – Soviet subs not conducted attacks that day.
25.3.45
L-21 attacked steam Yacht, as her commander think. In reality it was convoy with TS.10 as leader.
27.3.45
LEIPZIG – error, nobody attack her.
28.3.45
L-3 laid mines in 18.29-18.50 and in 19.18-19.36. 2 banks per 10 mines between 54.45,5 - 18.45,5 and 54.45,8 - 18.47, 54.46,5 - 18.49 and 54.47 - 18.50,5.
30.3.45
LEMBIT laid mines in 12.45-13.27, 5 banks per 4 mines in area 54.59,5 - 18.18,0,  54.59,5 - 18.24,6, 54.52,7 - 18.15,4, 54.52,7 - 18.22,0.

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Re: April 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #4 am: 26 September 2010, 19:24:08 »
APRIL-KORREKTUREN von IGOR BORISENKO.

4.4.45
K-56 – this is absolutely different time, so may be attacked was ORION, WANGONI. UJ.1201 see torpedoes and dropped DC, but this was in 11.58.
10.4.45
L-21 – Z.43 exploded in 54.48 – 09.47, very far from all soviet minefields.
11.4.45
K-56 + fired 4 – 100-mm gun shells.
12.4.45
SC-310 can’t sunk ILMENAU, different dates.
14.4.45
SC-310 attack in 01.18
17.4.45
L-3 attack in pos. 55.02,1 - 18.24,9. Convoy GOYA, KRONENFELS, water carrier EGIR, М.256/328.
18.4.45
R. MULLER was sunk by Il-2 and must be deleted
21.4.45
L-3 attack convoy MINDEN, GESTIA, LAPPLAND, UBENA, ORION
25.4.45
K-52 attack transporter 11000 t.

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Re: Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #5 am: 26 September 2010, 19:30:09 »
MAI-KORREKTUREN von IGOR BORISENKO.

6.5.45
K-53 can’t recognize ship’s type. This must be somebody from convoys GALSTER, Z.25, LODY, RIEDEL, T.23, HANSA, LINZ or ISAR, IHN, T.28
13.5.45
K-53 fired from her gun in 17.12-17.14, there was only one V-boote.

Lieber Igor,
Ich hätte von Anfang an Deine Korrekturvorschläge so wie hier ins Forum stellen sollen. Leider bin ich erst im Urlaub darauf gekommen. Es käme mir etwas dumm vor, wenn ich Deine Listen für die anderen Monate nachschiebe. Nochmal herzlichen Dank für alles. Rückfragen laufen weiter wie bisher übers ASA-Forum.
Liebe Grüße, Thomas

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Re: April 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #6 am: 26 September 2010, 22:09:28 »
hello,

10.4.45
 Z.43 exploded in 54.48 – 09.47, very far from all soviet minefields.

as far as I know, this is the position in Gelting Bight, i.e.Flensburg Fjord where Z 43 hit a mine on May 3, 1945 , not April, 10.

greetings, Urs
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Re: Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #7 am: 26 September 2010, 22:11:06 »
hello,

13.5.45
K-53 fired from her gun in 17.12-17.14, there was only one V-boote.

is this really true ? 4 days after cessation of hostilities ?

Greetings, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

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Re: 31.1./1.2.1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #8 am: 27 September 2010, 00:39:43 »
31.1.45: L-3  there no evidence in documents about this sightings.
01.2.45: Soviet subs not conducted attacks that day.

Rohwer gives the following remark: It is possible that the attacks [against sw PM LANDSORT and sw -D GUTE] are one and the same. @ Igor: What do you mean with the statement: there is no evidence about this sightings. CAP ARCONA had been on the way to Gdynia, when she was attacked twice (following Sergey). But I've got no B-times for these attacks. If attack against LANDSORT and GUTE is really identic, it would better match with the attacks of L-3 in the evening of 31.Jan. Maybe GUTE reported her observations not before 1.Feb. Best regards, Thomas
« Letzte Änderung: 27 September 2010, 01:14:59 von TW »

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Re: April 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #9 am: 27 September 2010, 10:28:23 »
hello,
10.4.45
 Z.43 exploded in 54.48 – 09.47, very far from all soviet minefields.
as far as I know, this is the position in Gelting Bight, i.e.Flensburg Fjord where Z 43 hit a mine on May 3, 1945 , not April, 10.
greetings, Urs
Well, you partly wright. This coordinats indeed means sinking Z.43 in Gelting Bight - but she was selbstversenkt, not hit another mine.
But this DD no matter wasn't victim of L-21, because she hit magnetic mine (british).

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Re: Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #10 am: 27 September 2010, 10:32:18 »
hello,

13.5.45
K-53 fired from her gun in 17.12-17.14, there was only one V-boote.

is this really true ? 4 days after cessation of hostilities ?

Greetings, Urs
Yes, this is not mistake.
K-53 meet empty little boat, most likely some Hafenschutzboot, and sunk them with 4-100-mm granaten.

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Re: 31.1./1.2.1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #11 am: 27 September 2010, 10:46:32 »
31.1.45: L-3  there no evidence in documents about this sightings.
01.2.45: Soviet subs not conducted attacks that day.

Rohwer gives the following remark: It is possible that the attacks [against sw PM LANDSORT and sw -D GUTE] are one and the same. @ Igor: What do you mean with the statement: there is no evidence about this sightings. CAP ARCONA had been on the way to Gdynia, when she was attacked twice (following Sergey). But I've got no B-times for these attacks. If attack against LANDSORT and GUTE is really identic, it would better match with the attacks of L-3 in the evening of 31.Jan. Maybe GUTE reported her observations not before 1.Feb. Best regards, Thomas

My sentence was about CAP ARCONA attack. I asked Miroslav about it separately, and he say, that in all german documents he never see any evidence about voyage this ship that day.
As to LANDSORT - you gave them coordinats 57.28n 17.20e, near Kalmarsund, and real attack was too far away - 57.16,5 - 21.07,2, near Windau!!

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Re: Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #12 am: 27 September 2010, 20:49:54 »
hello,


13.5.45 - K-53 fired from her gun in 17.12-17.14, there was only one V-boote.

is this really true ? 4 days after cessation of hostilities ?


Yes, this is not mistake. K-53 meet empty little boat, most likely some Hafenschutzboot, and sunk them with 4-100-mm granaten.

I would like to point out - for the sake of the ASA - that this action was, then, not an "attack", i.e. an act of war, but the destruction of a navigational hazard (unmanned and drifting vessel at sea)

Greetings, Urs
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Re: Januar-Mai 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #13 am: 27 September 2010, 21:26:49 »
But this case was listed in ASA-Datenbank. I don't add it - only correct.

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Re: 17 April 1945 - Ostsee / Baltic Sea
« Antwort #14 am: 04 Oktober 2010, 01:41:07 »
17.4.45 -- L-3 attack in pos. 55.02,1 - 18.24,9.

Dear Igor. The suggested new A-position is really far away from the sinking position of GOYA (55.13n 18.20e)
Please have another look into your documents. Best regards, Thomas
« Letzte Änderung: 04 Oktober 2010, 01:50:42 von TW »