Ciao all,
this time I have worked with a new and very talended young friend, ... that I would like to introduce to you ... with of course a small surprise.
So the surprise are the :
- 26 drawings evolutions of Admiral Hipper, full life in technical modifications and camouflages.
- 6 Drawings of the short life of Blucher, same as above.
- 20 drawings to make same things for the Prinz Eugen.
I can guarantee you I had a lot of fun, .. creating them, ... so again I offer them free of any charge, .. for everybody benefit, ... like I did before.
After the usual authorizations, .. of course,... you can see them.
Ciao Antonio :MG:
Ciao all,
ok, lets start with the Blucher, a very unlucky ship, .. and let me introduce to you my young friend Abram Joslin, .. a very talented drawing maker as you can see.
Enjoy his works on Blucher ,....
and here the last ones ...
Gruss all,
I am sure you have been able to follow thru Blucher modifications, with the addition of the Funnel cap, the removal of the wappen shield, the addittion of the gun blast bags but only on forward guns, the installation of the boxes on top B and C turrets, .. till the admiral bridge closure, and the radar installation, ... with the YELLOW tops of Operation Weserubung,..when they closed the flagpoles down.
Here the Prinz Eugen,.. and using same approach,.. lets follow her modification thru modification and painting thru painting,... and I am sure you will find many interesting new items, .. and hopefully some explanations on how things went,.. about this ship.
But in case you notice something new,..like the depth charges launchers,... or the unusual painting on top of Baltic camo turrets, .... or movements of the air recognition banners,.. or the zwilling guns ...on 1944,... do not worry... but just ask,... and I will answer... as all the things you see here in,.. can be demonstrated very easily,....... of course
Enjoy,..Antonio :MG:
..more Prinz ....
...more Prinz,.. after the Baltic camo,... were the logic of the colour used for the TOP turrets is very interesting, .. thinking Bismarck now,..... :O/Y
..here the Rheinubung,..ones,... please note that the YELLOW was used leaving Norway as well as approaching France at Brest,.... the PG film will confirm with images,... while the full grey was only in betwen,.. on the Atlantic ocean while out of Luftwaffe range,.... obviously.
The depth charge launchers are left empty,..but we know now how it went about the 6 depth charges...... :MZ:
...... more Prinz .... in Norway,.....
Ciao Antonio!
Really fine drawings! :TU:)
Exellent!
Thank you very much!
MfG hsk1
... more Prinz,.. I am sure you should have liked the Op. Zauberflote camouflage scheme,.... it looks different done like this compared to the manual drawing I made last year, .. but all my researches on KM ships camo are going on the same way,.. I start from paper,.. from a photo,..than I research,..and take notes,..and only at the end you are able to put it on a nice format like this one to be showed,..and with the help of talented guys on PC graphics is easier for me,.. so I can concentrate on my history research ,..while they can learn the ship from me, .. enjoying what they are very good on doing,.. creating the electronic drawings, .. and I love to explain it, .... as they are normally very curious, ..and interested,.... to know the ship story and evolution,....... so we both enjoy.
Never forget is a never ending research work,......
...more Prinz,... Thanks HSK1 :O/Y,.. I pass along the compliments to Abram,..he is young and very talented,.. so I am sure he will be very proud of this personal achievement, ... and I am happy to have given my knowledge to such a talented young guy, .. so in the future the memory of those ships wil not end ,.. so easily now,.....
..and here we are at the end of Prinz, ...I am sure you have followed easily all radar changes,...all the Flak guns evolution, including the zwillig ,.... and all the painting done, .. including the dark one used with Scharhorst when they tryied to reach Norway at the beginning of 1943.
I am sure you know the Prinz Eugen quite well,.. so I hope to have been able to have given a bit more,.... just a bit,.. and to have stimulated some interesting new questions on you, .. so maybe I can learn more from you too, .. and improve on this ship as well....... like on all the other ones,....
Here the USA piece of the story of the Prinz, ... Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, Panama,.... till Bikini atoll,. .... and the end.
Antonio :MG:
Gruss all,
and here we go with the first ship of this class,..that I kept for last,..the Admiral Hipper...
..I am sure you have noticed that on all the ships drawings there are no boats on the ship,.as this is Abram ...personal touch,... he likes to show the ship natural lines,..and I was glad to follow his desire,..... everybody of us can easily realize were and which small boats were on board like the Arado airplanes, .. or like the more precise ship details we can obtain from bigger and more precise original ship drawings, .. the intent was not to provide the best and more precise ship drawing,..but to provide the evolution of the ship history modifications .... and camouflage schemes,... that is not so easily available .....
...and here after the air recognition evolutions,... Norway invasion Weserubung ... in Yellow, than Red,.. but you will like I hope the camo pattern of the ship after been rammed by HMS Glowworm,..... full camouflage on the upperworks,.....
... more Hipper,... Juno and Seelowe,..summer of 1940,..than the first Atlantic operation,.... camouflaged as HMS Liverpool,..... and here I thank many persons for the nice help,... :O/Y
..this scheme could have been on Blue tones,..... or in Grey tones, .. I have NOT found the exact final answer, .. but that is why I want you to see them both, .. so you can help me... maybe with a confirmation on one by some former crew members,..... and meanwhile enjoy, ......
... surely Hipper left Norway with Luftwaffe air recognition marks.. than they removed them,....... in Brest the ship had a very interesting camouflage evolution,..and drydock changes,..all over,..I had to study all the Brest harbour to realize the evolutions,.. of the ship,... movement by movement,.. lot of fun,.. :ML:
..Ok, so the last one is on grey tones after the many of Blue, ... so we have both waiting for a final call,.... I am sure you have noticed a strange couple of shadows between C and D turrets,... they tryied to simulate the deck level going down below on HMS Liverpool,.. very clever initiative,.. as painters,..... a good trick :MZ:
..but than they changed the camo scheme to simulate the battleship HMS Revenge,.. that was on that area,... so this scheme is Grey tones for sure,.... looks similar but it is not the same,..... and if you look at the ship into the dry docks,..were she was,..and in which status after several paintings made,..especially looking at her bow,... when never saw the water,.. very clean,.. or when she comes back from the sea,.. than you will be able to re-construct all the ship evolutions,.... if you know were she was on the harbour on that moment,..... I had so much fun,..... doing it,.. and I have to thank a couple of France friends for having helped me with Brest harbour informations,.. Philippe and Robert,..... :MZ:
OK, ...you would have noticed on the last camo ...they cleaned the funnel,.. as they realized that HMS Revenge was big and not inclined back like HMS Liverpool,.. plus they painted the A/A spherical directors covers,..
..so after been in dry dock in Germany,.. on March 1942,.. Admiral Hipper reached the Norway anchoring into LoFjord ( Trondheim ) together with Prinz Eugen and Admiral Scheer,..and you can see the way she looked at first and soon after,...
..more Hipper,.I am sure you have noticed the change of the usual 20 mm Flak C30 single Werhmacht mounting she had on top of B and C turrets ,..with a couple of Flak Vierlings,.. but on C different than on B,... with a platform,.. on B only railings,... plus a radar aft,.. and a vierling on main tower instead of the searchlight,.... and another radar,.... back on top main tower rangefinder,... torpedo tubes with cabinet closed,..and so on,..just enjoy the discovery,... of the differences,...
... more Hipper,..with Rosselspung you saw with Tirpitz I hope, .. and in those Norway camo's,.. lot to discover still on top turrets colous,.. because they did,.. YES,.... they did change them a lot, .. but soon I will know more, ..... than the last one dark,..beginning of 1943,.. like Prinz Eugen and Scharnhorst,..... than a long period INACTIVE at Gotenhafen,...
the last ones,.. a still ' mysterious ' 1944 one,..... with a very unusual pattern,... and 1944 - 1945 with clear colour,..... and a very news A/A flakgusn layout,.... interesting I suppose,..never saw a drawing of Admiral Hipper with those on,..... enjoy,... zwilling and 40 mm Bofors,...
..but what was the Zarin operation camo in Norway ??, ..... what about Regenbogen ??? .. still lot to discover,..... fun,... :O/Y
Gruss all ,... and many thanks again to Abram, .... for his hard work ......... BRAVO :MG:
Hi Antonio,
great and wonderful work :TU:) !
Thank you for sharing and a special thank to Abram :MG: .
Thanks Thomas :O/Y,
I am sure Abram wil llike very much your opinions and impressions, .. he is very young but very talented to make drawings on electronic format and especially to learn those ships history, ...... so I have always to explain everything about the ship on that moment,.... which is very good and helps me on avoiding mistakes,..since it must be demonstrated,..... but you know my friend that for me this is addittional fun, ...... and pleasure,.... :MZ:
Gruss all.... Antonio :MG:
Fantastic work!!! :TU:)
Hello Antonio
outstanding work my friend :=D>,
thank you for sharing it with us !
Danke schone meine freund,....
...but again... for me it has been a very easy task, .. since I had already made and published same informations I had on all those KM warships since many years,... as you well know,.....
..the guy to congratulate is Abram, .. since he learned about them only lately and very quickly, .. and mostly he needed just few infos after a while to make all the changes I was driving him into, .. and I have to tell you that he really impressed me for how fast and well he was able to follow me soon, ...... sometimes even surprising me,.... with details added on his initiative,..... a very good guy,.... BRAVO !
... and of course we are not done yet, ....... you will see........ you know me,...... I am having fun and no stress,....that is what really counts,..... :ML:
Ciao Antonio :MG:
...just now found enough time for really estimating your (and Abram's) work in detail.
That's quite a lot what you've done in these day, Antonio! A very good research, and wonderful drawings, too!
Congatulatione, e felizitatione per avver'trovvato un adiutante si ingegnoso!
Ciao,
Harold
Ciao Harold,
first of all,..... GRAZIE 1000 per il tubo con documenti, .. stasera lo guardo,...... DANKE !
Si, .. lot of very hard work especially by Abram.... fast and good,... clever and smart, .... funny guy to work with, ... I like it :O/Y
Danke schone again,...and be sure soon,.. more to see, .... as long as we have fun, .. we will continue,.... that is the secret,... :ML:
.. than of course it is a pleasurer to make somebody else happy,..... to stimulate new research and new findings,... so we all learn.
Ciao Antonio :MG:
Hej Antonio!
So many Thanks to you and to Abram for the work! That is a tremendous gift to the community! Most wonderful pictures in the tradition of Manuel González López' fine drawings. Very, very impressive! And what a job to find both port and starboard of the dazzling schemes!
It is nice to follow the Kriegsmarines lines of thought through the various additions and alterations.
I see you've even included the depth charge racks on the Prinz. Do you have information about why they disappeared after Rheinübung or do you only know from pictures that they disappeared?
I am a scallywag! I should be grateful instead of asking more but I can not help it. Will there one day be a 'Last Hipper' showing her in her Deutsche Werke Dock camouflage? I would love that one though I have to admit that it would be very difficult to find information about the colours of her last paint scheme.
Ha, ha – I am horrible – so much work and I ask for extras. Take it as a compliment my friend! :-D
Thanks again to both of you!
Ciao,
Ufo
Ciao UFO and all,
many thanks and congratulations to you for yor new responsibility from my side, .. I do not know you personally,.. but I do know personally the majority of the crew here in,...so I know you are among very good and talented persons,.. so I am happy for you :O/Y
YES, you got it,.. I always wanted to show the ships 3 views,.. since been a modeler I know how it is when you know one piece of it,..and do not have the informations about the rest of the ship,.. you go simply crazy :MLL: ... that is why I asked Abram to follow my approach even with the hull showed every time both sides,.. because those drawings in the future could be also used to study hits received, damages suffered, and so on,.. by historian researchers,.. I was also thinking to add the compartments in Latin numbers initially,..but than I thought it was a bit too much..... :MZ:
About the depth charges launchers on Prinz Eugen ( triple ) and Admiral Hipper ( 3 singles ) I only know they decided to remove them, I do not know the real reason why, I suppose that been used as raiders the cruisers were no longer going to hunt for submarines, .. and even if Prinz Eugen used them in Denmark Strait, .. they took them out anyhow.
Same thing for the refuelling rings,.... on Prinz Eugen,.. so secret that many times were censored on photos too.
I do not know the slang ' scallywag' .. but I got the point I hope,.... and I will ask Abram if he want to play with it,.. there are either colour and close photos enough to try to make it right,.. or close to it,... we will see.... what he thinks.
Allow me to ask anybody that do have photos of Admiral lHipper on may 1945 in Kiel at the Deutsche Werke dock or ... the wreck of Adm Hipper at Heikendorf bay, to send them to me as private email attachment, so I could count on all sources possible for infos,.. recently many more surfaced,.. but I am sure you guys could have more and better pics.
Thanks again also from Abram,... and lets see what will come,...soon,... :MZ:
Ciao Antonio :MG:
I have never see German Warships drawings with this quality & progression month by month.
:-o :-o :-o
That is really a fantastic work :-o
Many many thanks to Antonio & Abram.
Jef :MG:
Danke Jef,
reallly appreciate your compliments,..very nice from you :O/Y.
Be sure that soon you will see something more close to what,... you like the best, .. either you or ..... '' meine freund '' Kalli,...... so at least you both imagine what we are currently working on, .... :O/Y
... and it will be the same as above,.... as I have all I need since many years,..... also on them,.... of course ... :MZ:
Here a gift for UFO,....... I had to use a bit on personal interpretation to complete some camo patterns that were not perfectly visible on my many photos, .. but here is what it looks like Admiral Hipper was painted while on Kiel dry dock on May 1945.... and at Heikendorf bay after,...
.. it is so funny to be able to draw on paper a coloured drawing with the normal pencils, .... on my old way to do things, ... and soon after to see it transfomed into an electronic perfectly coloured drawing, ..... many thanks to Abram again,... BRAVO PLUS !
Ciao Antonio :MG:
Ciao Antonio
Thanks so much!
It does make it easier to understand how they hoped her superstructure would disappear into the brick red background of the factory buildings and the sharp and distinct features of her artillery break up under the dazzling paint.
Alas – it did not save her.
Ufo
Ciao UFO,
YES, I agree with you and in fact to understand the colours they used you must take a look at the houses around the drydock and you will realize that they tryied to simulate a building that was on the left of the ship, ..with same colours almost,.. after an U-Boote painted in Black.
Sometimes the best available colour photo is printed reversed on books, ..... unfortunately,... so you run the risk to see that house on the right ... but to see correctly the photo you must have the orange-brick colour house on the left of D turret guns.
No, either with netz addittion as usual, and some frames added to simulate a permanent construction instead of a ship into a drydock, it did not save her,... at all.
Now we need o find more infos,..and hope one day to be able to make some more drawings,.. and more precise ones,.. as this is a never ending path,.. but at least now we have a good reference base,....... :O/Y
Ciao Antonio :MG:
Guten Abend alles
Vielen Dank für Ihre gütigen Wörter! This has been very fun for me and I've learned a lot! I hope our next project will be as much as a surprise as this one.
Hi Abram, welcome aboard!
We all have been quite flabbergasted by your tremendous work, t'is not a one-day's sketch! Congratulations... if such an expression will describe my astonishment concerning your excellent drawings!
Harold
Hi Abram,
You made really very high quality work
:MG: :MG: :MG:
Thanks a lot for all German Battleships Lovers
:O-_ :O-_ :O-_
Jef :OuuO:
So amazing work.
Thank so much!!
:O-_ :O-_ :](*,) :](*,)
Ciao all,
many thanks :O/Y
Ciao Antonio :-)
Kann jemand sagen, wann Admiral Hipper diesen Tarnanstrich hatte?
http://www.admiral-hipper-class.dk/admiral_hipper/paint_schemes/pictures/1940/06_hipper_august_40_port_big.jpg
Laut der Seite soll sie ihn im August 1940 gehabt haben, laut Heavy Cruisers of the Admiral Hipper and the Prinz Eugen class (Kagero War Camera Photobooks 2) von Miroslaw Skwiot, Lublin, 2010, was zwei Fotos mit diesem Tarnanstrich enthält, soll sie ihn Ende Juni 1940 gehabt haben. Also von Ende Juni (nach Operation Juno) bis Anfang August 1940 (nächste Werftliegezeit)?
When Admiral Hipper had this camouflage?
http://www.admiral-hipper-class.dk/admiral_hipper/paint_schemes/pictures/1940/06_hipper_august_40_port_big.jpg
It is labelled with August 1940.
Heavy Cruisers of the Admiral Hipper and the Prinz Eugen class (Kagero War Camera Photobooks 2) von Miroslaw Skwiot, Lublin, 2010 contains two photos with this camouflage - and they are labelled with end of June 1940. Did she had this camouflage from end of June (after Operation Juno) to early August (when she entered the yard)?
I have started a model with this camouflage:
(http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/2094673/6336366138636463.jpg)
(http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/2094673/6163373531353334.jpg)
(http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/2094673/3633636663333332.jpg)
hi
aus gegebenem Anlaß Frage an die Schiffserkenner: was fährt da in Bild 3 neben ADMIRAL HIPPER über die quadriatisch blaue See ?
Gruß, Urs
Ciao all,
here the answer and the correct way to see that camouflage.
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&p=358400#p358400
Gruss Antonio :MG:
Ciao, Antonio,
considering the size and armament of SAN MARCO, isn´t the simple "destroyer" somewhat of an understatement :wink: ?
Gruß, Urs
Ciao, Antonio,
booking on your expertise in this field: can you narrow down the time window of this picture ?
greetings, Urs
Zitat von: Urs Hessling am 06 September 2010, 18:26:50
considering the size and armament of SAN MARCO, isn´t the simple "destroyer" somewhat of an understatement
Considering the size yes, but considering the armament after the conversion I think "destroyer" or "destroyer leader" is appropriate.
Ciao all,
first of all let me thank you Urs for the very unknown photo you shared that shows the heavy cruiser Admiral Hipper.
I had never seen it before so it was missed on my private collection, for that again many thanks, if you have more feel free, I like this game,.... :MZ:.
As said the ship on the photo is the Admiral Hipper taken into AltaFjord on summer ( most probably July ) of 1942 from a type 36 destroyer ( look the bow ).
The confirmation comes from the Adm Hipper port side camouflage that very evidently shows the Operation Rosselsprung one of July/August of 1942 ( see my camo nr. 22 ).
But the photo was taken into the AltaFjord and not at Bogen Bucht in Narvik were Admiral Hipper was anchored later in August with Tirpitz.
That is why my call goes for Admiral Hipper during July 1942 and Operation Rosselsprung, into AltaFjord-Norway.
Changing on San Marco, that ship was classified as panzer-kreuzer ( incrociatore corazzato ), just like San Giorgio, later she became a target ship like the Hessen for KM.
Source is my friend Erminio Bagnasco good books about Regia Marina warships.
Bye Antonio :MG:
Zitat von: Antonio Bonomi am 06 September 2010, 20:11:34
Changing on San Marco, that ship was classified as panzer-kreuzer ( incrociatore corazzato ), just like San Giorgio, later she became a target ship like the Hessen for KM.
This is the earlier San Marco.
Above shown is the San Marco ex Giulio Germanico. Originally built as incrociatori leggeri and later converted into a cacciatorpediniere (D 563).
hello, maxim
full points top
Gruß, Urs
hello, Antonio
Zitat von: Antonio Bonomi am 06 September 2010, 20:11:34
if you have more feel free, I like this game,....
just have a look into this old thread http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,7953.0.html, as you may see, we arrived, although less precise and somewhat more guessing, at the same solution :wink:
the "destroyer question", however, is not quite 100 %-answered.
greetings, Urs
Ciao Urs and all,
as I told you I like this game, ... please do some more.
First photo as said is Admiral Hipper taken from a type 36 zerstorer and now I know it was taken from the Z27 on the early stage of Operation Rosselsprung when they met into AltaFjord at the end of Operation Musik.
Second photo is from same period and shows Z27 on her beautiful camouflage of that period, june-early july 1942. On the main bridge the destroyer was having the identification marking number, reference the Koop/Schmolke book on destroyers.
Third photo is from later on, september-october 1942 after Z27 got repainted, shows Z27 in Kvenvik bay and shows back light cruiser Koln with her Norway camouflage close to Auskarneset anchorage, anchored were usually were anchored only the destroyers.
You can see also the Z4 Richard Beitzen, the Z16 Friedrich Eckoldt and the Z30 that were there into KaaFjord on that period just before the Operation Hoffnung on October 5th, 1942.
Bring some more,...I like it ,.... :MZ:
Bye Antonio :MG:
Ciao, Antonio,
Zitat von: Antonio Bonomi am 07 September 2010, 09:10:05
Third photo is from later on, september-october 1942 after Z27 got repainted, shows Z27 in Kvenvik bay and shows back light cruiser Koln with her Norway camouflage close to Auskarneset anchorage, anchored were usually were anchored only the destroyers.
You can see also the Z4 Richard Beitzen, the Z16 Friedrich Eckoldt and the Z30 that were there into KaaFjord on that period just before the Operation Hoffnung on October 5th, 1942.
wow.
by the way: Operation Hoffnung :? I think that I know quite a lot about the war at sea 1939-45, but that one´s new to me.
greetings, Urs
Ciao Urs and all,
here the detail of Operation Hoffnung from the story of Admiral Hipper .
On 01 Oct 1942 the Kreuzer( Adm Hipper) was moved. Supported by the Zerstörern Z 23 (command boat of the 8. Zerstörer-Flottille) and Z 28 she was moved from Kaa-Fjord to Bogen Bay. On 28 Oct 1942 she was moved again, this time accompanied by the Zerstörern 'Richard Beitzen' & 'Friedrich Eckoldt' to Altafjord. From here, while still flying the flag of Vizeadmiral Kummetz and supported by Z 27, Z 30, Z16 'Friedrich Eckoldt' and Z4 'Richard Beitzen' the 'Admiral Hipper' took part in Operation 'Hoffnung' with the Kampfgeschwader 30 as flying reconnaissance. The Soviet tanker 'Donbass' (7925 tons) was sunk by the Zerstörer Z 27 along with the Soviet anti-submarine boat BO-78. On 09 Nov 1942 the Kampfgruppe was returned to the Kaa-Fjord.
Taken from here :
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=12317
But you can have same details from Koop/Schmolke book on German destroyers about Z27 history.
Bye Antonio :MG:
Ciao, Antonio,
thank you, I knew the facts incl. departure on Nov 5, but not the operation name.
btw: flying reconnaissance = aerial reconnaissance
greetings, Urs
Ciao Urs and all,
my pleasure to have helped you Urs.
By the way I have to correct a bit myself, the second photo of Z27, shows the destroyer into Bogen Bucht, as I checked the back mountain profile, so it was not into AltaFjord yet were she met Admiral Hipper few days after ( first photos of Adm Hipper ), but still in Narvik area with Admiral Scheer and Lutzow before the Operation Rosselsprung started and Lutzow run aground into Tjelsundet.
Many times the Operation names are also new to me, Whitley was very precise with them on his books, but KTB are the most reliable reference as well as original ober kommando KM documentation.
Third photo was easy because there are other Z27 famous photos in between were you can see she got repainted, the most famous one is the photo taken in Narvik were there are sailors playing soccer and on the background you have Tirpitz and Adm Hipper anchored. The destroyers showed is the Z27 repainted on grey as said after Operation Rosselsprung.
Bye Antonio :MG:
Selten finde ich neue Berichte über die schweren Kreuzer , in Frankreich fand ich das Heft und den Link :
LG Jürgen
Servus,
ich habe den Link vorerst gelöscht. Ist das ein PDF vom Verlag?
Gruß
Spee
Die LOS Hefte erhalte ich von einem Freund in Frankreich , der mir das Heft besorgte und darauf hin gewiesen hat ,
dass die älteren Hefte auch im Netz zu finden sind . Diesen Link und wohl 12 weitere Links erhielt ich vom Franzosen .
LG Jürgen
Hello. Working on a book on Blücher in English and would like to use some of these fantastic drawings. Book will be available early next year and we have many photos and maps, but low on drawings of this quality. Can we get in touch? By E-mail? All the Best Geirr Haarr. geirr.haarr@lyse.net
Hello and welcome, Geirr! :O/Y
I will forward your question to Antonio as I believe he is not online very frequently here. :-)
@ Geirr: good news that you are working on the Blücher book! :TU:)
Hello GEIRR!
It´s great to read from you after our personal meeting at Oslo in 2018.
Greetings from Austria
Hello Geirr Haarr,
thanking the moderator T-Geronimo ( Thorsten ) I was able to read you post and request today.
Yes, since you have been so kind and fair to ask for the permission to use the drawings that me and Abram Joslin realized time ago, I authorize you to use them for your book.
I hope you will be so kind to provide us the link and the possibility to purchase the book once published because I am sure many here in will like to have it.
Have a nice day and I wish you the best for your book, ... Antonio :MG:
hi, Geir,
S-Boote were in contact with Blücher providing anti-submarine escort in Kiel Bight in November, 1939 on the following days : 7.11.1939 S 14, S 15, 8.11.1939 S 11, S 12 and 9.11.1939 S 13, S 15
source: KTB 2nd S-flotilla
greetings, Urs
Thanks a lot! You and Abram Joslin will be duly credited and thanked in the introduction. Grüsse. Geirr