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Flotten der Welt => Königlich-Preußische Marine und früher => Königlich-Preußische Marine - Schiffe => Thema gestartet von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:51:20

Titel: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:51:20
Manchester   ON7563   iron paddle
L 2.07.1849   Robinson & Russell, Millwall, S10
174nrt/291grt 390bm double end contruction
164.9x22.4x9.6
2 sets oscillating engines 48in (diam) x 4ft6in stroke, 16lb with wave gear, 150nhp by builders
registered 6.10.49 at   Hull   44/49 for Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire Rly. Co.
1877   Hull, Steam, Broken up MNL (closures), 1877

Die Preußische Delegation hat das Dampfer MANCHESTER begutachtet.
Gebaut 1849.

Ähnlichkeiten mit NIX sind nicht zu übersehen,

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:55:24
Wie man sieht, M und S + N haben gleiche Maschinen
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:56:19
Wie man findet MANCHESTER hat gleiche Navigationsprobleme wie NIX und SALAMANDER
Das Schwesterschiff wurde wie die preußische Schiffe verlängert.
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:57:01
MANCHESTER was gebaut nach Wave Principle von JSR
So waren auch N+S
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:58:09
Appletons' Mechanics' Magazine and Engineers' Journal, Band 1 p.313
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 16:59:43

"Schwesterschiff von MANCHESTER"
Sheffield   ON7564   iron   paddle
1849 H.E.Smith , Gainsborough
149/244 143.8 -> 160.8x21.9x9.1   
150   by J & G. Rennie
registered 27.11.50   Hull   for Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire Rly. Co.   
served 51 - 69

The Humber Ferries - Seite 44
Alun Albert D'Orley, ‎D'Orley Alun Albert - 1968

A sister ship for the 'Manchester' had been ordered earlier on in 1849. She was named 'Sheffield', was smaller than the 'Manchester' , and cost L5,520. The builder was H.E.Smith of Gainsborough and the engines were supplied by J & G Rennie. After trials, which were considered satisfactory, it was decided that 'Sheffield' should be lengthened by 17 feet, and delivery was not made until 1850. In November 1853, the Government Surveyors decided that the . 'Queen' and the 'Prince of Wales' were no longer fit for the carriage of passengers, so the M.S. & L. had to hire the 'Petrel' from the Watermans Company to keep the service going ..
......
Both 'Manchester' and the 'Sheffield' proved unsuccessful in the operation of the New Hollan Ferry. These iron paddle steamers proved to be difficult to manage and were involved in several collisions. They continued to give constant trouble, and in August 1854, the M.S. & L. bought two smaller iron paddle steamers from M. Samuelson and Company, of Hull, at a cost of £6,725 each. They were former Clyde Steam Packets, and were named 'Manchester' and 'Sheffield', replacing their namesakes on the Humber Ferry in 1855.


MANCHESTER war klassifiziert als Riverione steamer (=Binnenschiff)
so ist in 1858 in Verzeichnis von Dampfschiffen die im Hull sine beheimatet und so in "Liverpool registry 1874/75"


Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:12:48
The Artizan 1849 p.224 & 172
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:14:19
NIX und SALAMANDER von Koch
Marine Rundschau 1895
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:16:24
RECRUIT was sold at Shernees at public auction to E.Bates for £1,807 1s on 23.09.1969

Das ist sehr interesant:

Statement of the Net expenditure chanfet at other HM Yards for Experimental purposes uin the Year 1867-68
Amount Paid to Mr.Charles Lungley for Sheating the "Recruit" £1,250

RECRUIT iron paddle steamer ON63244
1850 London
420grt/265nrt 182.1x26.6x??ft
160nhp
reg 1870 Liverpool for Edw. Bates, 3, New Quay, Liverpool 49/70
reg 1874 Cape Town, South Africa for The Table Bay Dock & Breakwater Stm.Ship Co. Lim 5/74
MNL 1875 The Table Bay Dock & Breakwater Stm.Ship Co. Lim, Cape Town ex HMS RECRUIT
MNL 1876 The Table Bay Dock & Breakwater Stm.Ship Co. Lim, Cape Town ex HMS RECRUIT
MNL 1878 not listed

Und von Liverpool Register 1874-75

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:16:57
WESER was sold as a paddle tug
at Malta to a private tender for £1,500 on 29.10.1873

WESER ON64737 iron paddle
(a)
408grt/257nrt 177ft0inx26ft4inx10ft2in
160nhp
1874 registered Malta, 2/74
MNL 1875 owned Carmelo Bugeja , Valetta, Malta
MNL 1878 owned Carmelo Bugeja , Valetta, Malta
MNL 1880 owned Carmelo Bugeja , Valetta, Malta
MNL 1882 not listed
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:20:18
The Year-book of Facts in Science and Art 1850
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:26:41
Official Catalogue of the Great Exhibition of the Works of Industry of All Nations
London 1851
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:30:28
Daily News (London, England), Saturday, January 17
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:31:10
London Express December 19, 1862
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 17:32:05
London Morning Post October 13, 1863
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 30 August 2017, 22:12:36
Vertrag
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 31 August 2017, 18:00:30
HMS Recruit
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 10 Oktober 2017, 17:41:18
Eine Meldung, das beide Schiffe sind von Stapel  gelaufen

RM1/1994 p.158
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 22 Oktober 2017, 23:01:43
Lloyd's List - Friday 02 May 1851
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 22 Oktober 2017, 23:04:10
Hampshire Advertiser - Saturday 30 December 1854
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:16:40
Illustrated London News - Saturday 05 April 1851

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:25:59
Colburn's United Service Magazine and Naval and Military Journal, Band 7
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:30:58
Nach meisten (aber nicht allen) Britischen Quellen
NIX->RECRUIT
SALAMANDER->WESER

Nach Gröner
NIX->WESER
SALAMANDER->RECRUIT
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:38:15
Ships of the Royal Navy: The Complete Record of all Fighting Ships of the ...
von J. J. Colledge,Ben Warlow

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:42:29
Freeman's Journal - Tuesday 02 January 1855
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:44:00
lasgow Herald - Monday 01 January 1855

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 23 Oktober 2017, 08:47:35
Shipping and Mercantile Gazette - Thursday 28 December 1854
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 26 November 2017, 21:43:53
Science Museum

Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 24 Dezember 2017, 14:24:57
The Times
Titel: Re: Nix & Salamander Rad-Avisos
Beitrag von: AvM am 16 Januar 2020, 22:24:21
Brasilianische Korvette DOM PEDRO II
gebaut nach Prinzipien von SALAMANDER