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Offline TW

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Re: Some ship name questions
« Antwort #15 am: 02 Mai 2011, 22:37:45 »
Ich glaube, Le Trait Marie Solent ist ein Mist, den ich allein gebaut habe.
Im ASA Buch steht Le Tre Marie Sorelle, und es gibt gar keinen Korrekturvermerk.
Im Gröner "Handelsflotten der Welt 1942" steht nur Le Tre Marie, ich vermute hier einen Fehler.
Gruß, Thomas

Could someone clarify which name is the correct one:
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/asa/ausgabe.php?where_value=2661
Le Trait Marie Solent,  I have seen this vessel called Le Tre Marie and Le Tre Marie Sorelle as well. Is Le Trait Solent the correct name?

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Re: Februar 1943
« Antwort #16 am: 03 Mai 2011, 09:38:19 »
Navi Mercantili Perdute gibt ebenfalls "Le Tre Marie" als Namen an, ebenso Miramar Ship Index.

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Re: Februar 1943
« Antwort #17 am: 03 Mai 2011, 10:08:17 »
Habe soeben auch noch zwei Bilder aus Italien bekommen, die den Namen deutlich als "Le Tre Marie" zeigen!

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Re: 10 Februar 1943 MM / THUNDERBOLT
« Antwort #18 am: 20 Juni 2011, 23:40:07 »
HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) attacks a merchant ship of about 1500 tons with two torpedoes in position 43º29'N, 15º58'E. Both torpedoes missed their target.

(All times are zone -1)
0920 hours - Sighted a small merchant vessel of about 1500 tons that was coast crawling round the Southern end of Smokvica Island. Started attack.
0933 hours - Fired two torpedoes from 2500 yards. The targets speed was not estimated correctly and the torpedoes missed ahead and were seen to explode on hitting the shore.


The target was the Italian merchant Totonno (674 GRT, built 1899) on a trip from Sebenico to Split, she was missed but sank five days later when she hit a mine

Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html
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Re: 12 Februar 1943 MM / Thunderbolt
« Antwort #19 am: 20 Juni 2011, 23:45:41 »
12 instead of 11 Feb 1943
HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) attacks an enemy convoy. All torpedoes fired during the attack missed their intended targets.

(All times are zone -1)
0848 hours - In position 225 degrees Mulo Island 2.7 nautical miles sighted 2 medium seized merchant ships and 2 small merchant ships escorted by a former Yugoslav torpedo boat of the T5/8-class leaving the Drevnik Channel on course 254 degrees, distance approx. 6 nautical miles.
0932 hours - Fired three torpedoes at the largest ship.
0935 hours - Fired two torpedoes at the second largest ship. Went to 80 feet after firing. The results of the attack therefore were not observed.
0937 - 0946 hours - The torpedo boat dropped 15 depth charges. These caused only minor damage.
0946 hours - Thunderbolt hit bottom hard at 200 feet. Both motors were immediately stopped.
1019 hours - Thunderbolt finally got off the bottom and returned to periscope depth.
1037 hours - Six small depth charges exploded. A motor launch was seen about a mile away.


According to Italian sources this convoy was made up of the following ships; The Italian merchants Diana (3476 GRT, built 1923), Eneo (545 GRT, built 1907), Spalato (896 GRT, built 1909) and the German merchant Gerda Toft (1960 GRT, built 1930). They were escorted by the Italian (former Yugoslav) torpedo boat T 5.

Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html
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Re: 15 Februar 1943 MM / Thunderbolt
« Antwort #20 am: 20 Juni 2011, 23:51:46 »
15 instead of 16 Feb 1943
HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) fired three torpedoes against a merchant ship. All torpedoes missed their target.

(All times are zone -1)
0804 hours - In position 202 degrees Sunk Rock Lighthouse 3.5 nuatical miles sighted a steamship bearing 028 degrees distant 6 nautical miles. Course approx. 070, speed unknown.
0837 hours - In position 199 degrees Sunk Rock Lighthouse 2.3 nautical miles sighted a medium seized steamship on course 135 degrees, bearing 345 degrees, distance 4 nautical miles. Started attack and closed at full submerged speed for 9 minutes.
0846 hours - The target altered course. Thunderbolt was now not an a favourable attack position so the attack was broken off.
0852 hours - Sighted another vessel bearing 330 degrees, distance 2 nautical miles. This vessel was also thought to make the same alteration of course so it was now taken into account when an attack was started on this target.
0902 hours - In position 123 degrees Sunk Rock 0.6 nautical miles fired three torpedoes from 2800 yards. All torpedoes missed as the speed was underestimated. It was the intention to surface for gun action but when the torpedoes exploded upon hitting the shore the targets gun was manned and started shooting in the direction of the torpedo tracks. With the element of surprise now gone, Lt.Cdr. Crouch reluctantly decided to
abandon the attack.

The target was target was the Italian passenger ship Sebenico (897 GRT, built 1922) proceeding to Arsia

Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html
« Letzte Änderung: 21 Juni 2011, 00:12:50 von TW »

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Re: 18 Februar 1943 MM / THUNDERBOLT
« Antwort #21 am: 20 Juni 2011, 23:57:46 »
18 Feb 1943
HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) attacks the Italian auxiliary minelayer F 95 / San Giorgio (364 GRT, built 1914) with gunfire off Cape Promontore.

(All times are zone -1)
1557 hours - In position 150 degrees Sunk Rock 3 nautical miles sighted the masts and funnel of a ship bearing 070 degrees on course 180 degrees. Later the course varied considerably as did the speed. An hor later the ship was identified as a patrol vessel. It had a 3" or 4" gun forward and a light AA gun on the superstructure behind the funnel.
1703 hours - The target stopped for 3 or 4 minutes before gettin underway.
1714 hours - The target stopped again.
1721 hours - As the target was still stopped one torpedo was fired. from 600 yards. The torpedo failed to hit the target, most likely it ran under.
1722 hours - The target opened fire at the periscope. Thunderbolt went deep. Four depth charges were dropped close by.
1736 hours - Returned to periscope depth an saw the target 3000 yards on the starboard quarter going away.
1743 hours - Surfaced for gun action, range 5500 yards. The target made several alterations of course and fired a few erratic rounds and then decided to clear off as fast as she could towards Cape Promontore.
1759 hours - Broke off the action at 8000 yards due to the failing light. 66 Rounds had been fired for quite a few hits. A hit aft resulted in quite a certain amount of smoke.


According to Italian sources the torpedo did pass under the San Giorgio. According to her action report, she fired three rounds with her gun and dropped two depth-charges then two more during a second run. Thunderbolt surfaced and opened fire. The San Giorgio fired back 32 rounds. She was not hit by Thunderbolt.

Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html
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Re: 19 Februar 1943 MM / Thunderbolt
« Antwort #22 am: 21 Juni 2011, 00:03:38 »
In position 010 degrees Ortona, Italy 3 nautical miles HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) attacks a tug towing a dredger and two small leighters with gunfire. The tug and dredger take several hits before Thunderbolt is forced to dive by gunfire from a shore battery.

(All times are zone -1)
0741 hours - In position 010 degrees Ortona, Italy 3 nautical miles sighted a tug towing a dredger and two small leighters on course 320 degrees.
0805 hours - Surfaced at 1800 yards. It was not possible to close any more due to the shallow water. 21 Rounds had been devided between the tug and the dredger for a couple of hits before a few rounds from a shore battery fell within 50 yards. Dived. The tug for a while continued on her original course before steering for the nearest shore slipping her tow. The tug then made off for Ortona.


According to Italian sources the targets were the tug Cattaro No.73 (with a crew of 7) and dredger Veglia No.455 (with a crew of 12) on passage to Ancona. The Cattaro No.73 was hit on the bridge and had two wounded.

Later this day Thunderbolt shells a train crossing the bridge over the Asinella river.
The train was confirmed hit south of Ancona and had some wagons damaged but there were no casualties


Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html
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Re: 20 Februar 1943 MM / THUNDERBOLT
« Antwort #23 am: 21 Juni 2011, 00:10:09 »
HMS Thunderbolt (Lt.Cdr. C.B. Crouch, DSO and Bar, RN) damages an Albanian schooner with gunfire off Bari.

(Al times are zone -1)
0757 hours - Whilst carrying out a reconnaissance of the harbour of Bari, sighted a fairly large three-masted topsail schooner making for the harbour entrance.
0838 hours - Surfaced for gun action, range 800 yards. After firing 19 rounds (that was all that was left) fire was opened by a shore battery or by the armed merchant cruiser that was in the harbour.
0845 hours - Dived. The schooner was seen to fly the Albanian flag. The crew had abandoned ship. The schooner then drifted towards the shore. One mast was shot away and the rest was in shambles.

 
According to Italian sources the target was the Albanian Villanzen Veli (with 448 tons of stores) proceeding from Bari (she had just left) to Brindisi and Valona. The submarine came under fire by a 120mm coastal battery and from the auxiliary Brindisi which was in Bari harbour. Villanzen Veli was actually abandoned by her crew who took to a boat but left the engine running. She finally ran aground on the coast and was reached by the customs motor vessel M.L.7 and the pilot boat Letizia. The crew later boarded her again and brought her to Bari. She had been slightly damaged by the gunfire and the grounding.

Quelle: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3485.html

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Re: 2 Februar 1943 A Konvoi
« Antwort #24 am: 24 Januar 2013, 12:49:08 »
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/asa/ausgabe.php?where_value=276

Es geht um die Zusammensetzung des Konvois und eine Angriffsmeldung von HARM FRITZEN. Igor gab mir folgende Zusammensetzung:

Konvoi V5910 Ostkurs
Zusammensetzung Konvoi : MOLTKEFELS, HERMOD, MARSTEINEN, FASAN / V5910, V5907, V6112, R56, R154, R161

Rohwer dagegen sagt (ASA-Buch): Konvoi mit HARM FRITZEN (4818), TRIPP (364) und 6 Escorts. V5910 warf 5 Wabo.

Ich glaube nicht, dass Rohwer HARM FRITZEN ohne Grund aus dem Ärmel gezogen hat. Findet jemand von Euch im Umfeld des 2 Februar 1943 die HARM FRITZEN ?

Herzliche Grüße, Thomas
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Re: 1 Februar 1943 SC-402
« Antwort #25 am: 24 Januar 2013, 13:12:30 »
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/asa/ausgabe.php?where_value=274

In gleichem Zusammenhang gab es eine weitere Korrektur gegenüber Rohwer (ASA-Buch)

Es geht um die Versenkung von V5909:
Sergey schrieb mir: SC-403 war nicht der Angreifer, da zu der fraglichen Zeit in Reparatur. V5809/CORONEL sank wahrscheinlich auf einer Treibmine, die von sowjetischen MO-Kuttern vor Makkaur gelegt worden war.

Von SC-403 war bei diesem Angrif nicht die Rede, es ging um einen Angriff von SC-402. [Zum Angriff von M-172 im Datensatz vorher schrieb Rohwer: "Es gibt Hinweise, dass dieser Angriff von SC-403 durchgeführt wurde"]

Frage: Wann war SC-402 in See? Am 23.Januar war es vorm Varangerfjord, am 2. Februar auch wieder? Ich sehe da - ehrlich gesagt - wenig Zeitraum für eine Reparatur. Ich hatte den Eindruck, dass SC-402 am 1. und 2. Februar den selben Konvoi verfolgte, aus dem am 1.2. V5909 versenkt wurde. Ist diese Annahme definitiv falsch ?
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Re: 1-2 Februar 1943
« Antwort #26 am: 26 Januar 2013, 08:45:40 »
HARM FRITZEN wasn't in Arctic at all in 1943. Rohwer mess up her with HERMANN FRITZEN. This one make pass from Reppefjord to Kirkenes along to TRIPP and ILONA SIEMERS 28-29.1.43 with V.5906/04/6109. From this conwoy ILONA SIEMERS was damaged by M-171 on 29.1.
Correct conwoy structure i send to you taken from 59 V-FL KTB.
SC-402 leave her base 17.1.43 and returned 3.2.43. She attacks twice: one attack 23.1.43 and one 2.2.43 in 10.54 Berlin time. V.5909 was on bottom more than whole day.

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Re: 1.-2. Februar 1943 A
« Antwort #27 am: 26 Januar 2013, 20:40:13 »
Thanks a lot, Igor !!!
Best greetings, Thomas