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Autor Thema: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.  (Gelesen 526 mal)

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Offline cam

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British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« am: 09 September 2020, 20:52:27 »
Hi,
Colleagues.
I found this information
In the three weeks from 28 July to 17 August (1942) the Squadron claimed 17 F-boats destroyed and 3 damaged.  Mast-head dawn attacks by several squadrons, including 459, stopped this supply line.  For these low-level shipping attacks the Hudsons' usual load of four 250-lb dept-charges were replaced by sticks of 100-lb bombs.  Five crews were lost in these attacks.
https://www.454-459squadrons.org.au/459history
Please tell me if this information is reliable. What losses did the German MFP and Italian MZ actually suffer from British aircraft off the coast of Africa during this period?

cam

Offline Darius

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #1 am: 09 September 2020, 20:56:45 »
Hi cam,

just check / search on "Kriegstagebuch der Seekriegsleitung", "Chronik des Seekrieges" or take a look in the "Landungsfahrzeuge-Datenbank"  on HMA  :-)


 :MG:

Darius

Offline MarkusL

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #2 am: 09 September 2020, 23:53:12 »
Hello,
Bagnasco mentions in "Le motozattere italine nella seconda guerra mondiale"
loss of MZ 707, 723, 712 and 738 during that period by air attack without giving details on the attackers.
Kind regards
Markus

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #3 am: 10 September 2020, 13:55:43 »
In der LFZ-Gesamtchronik finde ich F 348, 347, 356, 355, MZ 723, 712, 738, 719 und L 32 als versenkt.
Gruß Thomas

Offline Iceman

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #4 am: 10 September 2020, 14:54:03 »
About the MZ i found, some time ago, a document that states:
- 718 hit in Tobruk by aerial bomb on 29/07, beyond repairs
- 709 on 05/08 shot down an enemy plane that falling hit her stern. Towed by MZ 706 to Bardia and considered total loss
- 723 on 05/08 damaged by air attack and in flames ran agound 9 Km east of Sollum
- 712 on 07/08 at sea from Tobruk to MArsa Matruh, hit by airplanes and sunk near Taifa rock
- 738 on 07/08 hit by aerial bomb in Tobruk, towed and sunk 1 NM from Marsa Matruh
- 701 on 12/08 hit by airplanes and sunk during navigation from Marsa Matruh and Tobruk
- 752 on 21/08 hit by airplanes and sunk in Tobruk roads
- 763 on 25/08 hit by airplanes and sunk in Tobruk
- 762 on 26/08 hit by airplanes in the engine room in Tobruk, considered total loss

Best regards

Marco Ghiglino

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #5 am: 10 September 2020, 20:52:16 »
Many thanks!

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #6 am: 12 September 2020, 05:30:27 »
Hi Cam,
ich habe einmal alles durchforscht und die Grenzen sehr locker gelassen (Strandung und Gebiet)

28. 7. 42

D LC   F 348         42     220 + B/Fl         20 w Sidi el Barani   B'
D LC   F 351         42     220 + B/Fl         20 w Sidi el Barani   B__


29.7.42

I  LC Mz 718  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk  B

2. 8. 42
D LC   F 347         42     220 + B/Fl         v. Bardia      B
D LC   F 356         42     220 + B/Fl         v. Bardia      B
I  LC   Mz 707      42     220 + B/Fl         Marsa el Aora   B



4. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 723  42     220 + B/Fl   9 o Sollum  B
D LC F 359 ?  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk  B


7. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 736  42     220 + B/Fl   2 v. Marsa Matruk B
I  LC Mz 712  42     220 + B/Fl   v.Taifu/Tobruk B

9. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 735  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk Reede M

10. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 761  42     220 + Unfall   o Sidi el Barrani Str

11. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 703  42     220 + B/Fl   Marsa Matruk M

12. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 701  42     220 + B/Fl   Marsa el Asi/ÄGypt.  B

13. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 715  42     220 + Unfall   Marsa Matruk Str

14. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 719  42     220 + B/Fl   Marsa Matruk       B,M

17. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 710  42     220 + Unfall   30 o.Sollum  Str


20. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 752  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk  B



26. 8. 42
I  LC Mz 762  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk Reede B
I  LC Mz 763  42     220 + B/Fl   Tobruk Reede B


Schönes Wochenende

td





« Letzte Änderung: 12 September 2020, 12:53:57 von TD »
...ärgere dich nicht über deine Fehler und Schwächen, ohne sie wärst du zwar vollkommen, aber kein Mensch mehr !

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #7 am: 12 September 2020, 12:44:53 »
Thank you very much, especially the MZ.  top top top
On German ships - on August 4, not the F-359, but the F-355 was sunk.

cam

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Re: British Air Force against MFP and MZ.
« Antwort #8 am: 12 September 2020, 14:43:29 »
Hallo Theo,
tolle Arbeit bezüglich der MZ. Die sind bisher immer etwas stiefmütterlich behandelt worden.
Gruß
Markus