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Autor Thema: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620  (Gelesen 1141 mal)

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Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« am: 21 Oktober 2018, 12:51:54 »
Hi,

Colleagues,

Rower writes
In der Nacht vom 22./23.6. greift die kanad. 65. MTB-Flottille mit MTB 748, MTB 727, MTB 745 und MTB 743 und 4 brit. MTB einen dt. Geleitzug bei St. Hélier (Jersey) an und versenkt den Versorger Hydra und M 4624. ... — In der Nacht vom 26./27.6. geht M 4620 bei einem Angriff von 4 brit. MTBs vor St. Hélier verloren.
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/44-06.htm
In Diaries SКL
https://archive.org/stream/wardiarygermann581944germ/wardiarygermann581944germ_djvu.txt
about the sinking of these ships are not written, although the battle with the destruction of the ship "Hydra" is described.
The British do not write about drowning with the "Hydra" M 4624.
https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=rCWMBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=65th+mtb+flotilla+mtb+748+1944&source=bl&ots=AURTufLZen&sig=2Q-tlH7mTrtY7oi0gdkN6U3kG18&hl=ru&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI_aPyx5PeAhXKjCwKHc9eBe04ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=65th%20mtb%20flotilla%20mtb%20748%201944&f=false
Help find out how these two minesweepers died.

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #1 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 09:47:46 »
M 4620 ist bereits am 11. März 1943 verloren gegangen
MfG

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #2 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 17:10:22 »
Hi, cam.
Following Reynolds, the 52nd MTB Flotilla attacked with MTB 673 a Task Force near Jersey, sinking a Trawler and damaging an M-Boat (Dog Boats, page 164). Unfortunately I did not note if Reynolds mentioned MTB 673 together with other boats, or lonely. The info about M 4620 was cited from Rohwer/Hümmelchen (and seems to be wrong; thank you, Hans).

Concerning the loss of M 4624, Reynolds told about the attack of the 1st Division of the 14th MTB flotilla with 250, 249, and 251 on 23./24.06.1944 against a convoy of 2 coaster, 1 trawler, and 1 tug off Cherbourg (Home Waters, page 139) This attack was combined with the loss of M 4624.

I am puzzled about my own notes concerning Hydra:
Reynolds claimed a successful attack of the 2nd Divsion of the 14th MTB Flotille with 254,255,257 on 23./24.06.1944  off Cherbourg, but I noted: "Dog Boat sank coastal steamer" (Home Waters, page 139)
Rohwer combined this attack with the loss of "Hydra", maybe I was under influence of Rohwer's interpretation when I wrote "dog boat". Unfortunately, I cannot look into the book again, as it was lent from State Library, Munich. However in "Dog Boats", Reynolds does not mention any dog boat sinking a coaster on 23./24. June.

Best regards
Thomas



« Letzte Änderung: 22 Oktober 2018, 17:24:34 von TW »

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #3 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 18:23:48 »
Hier das KTB des Marinegruppenkommandos West zum 23.06.1944. Das des Befehlshabers der Sicherung West (BSW) habe ich noch nicht.
Gruß, Thorsten

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #4 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 19:12:36 »
Lieber Thorsten,
Kannst Du in demselben KTB MGK West auch noch beim 26./27.Juni schauen. Ich würde gerne wissen, ob dort irgendein Gefecht mit englischen Schnellbooten verzeichnet ist.
Herzlichen Dank, Thomas

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #5 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 19:46:38 »
Gerne.
Gruß, Thorsten

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #6 am: 22 Oktober 2018, 20:38:42 »
Thorsten, thank you!  :TU:) :TU:) :TU:)
HJH, very grateful!  top
Thomas, thank you!

Thomas, 
on 23./24.06.1944 MTB-250, -254 and -257 attack convoy at Cape La Hogue from Cherbourg on Alderney, at Cape La Hogue from Cherbourg on Alderney, which was covered by AF-66, -65, -68 and -71.

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Re: Sunk M 4624 and M 4620
« Antwort #7 am: 23 Oktober 2018, 06:25:11 »
Thorsten,
In my third book reference Germany at War: 400 Years of Military History,  it is written that V 210 and V 208 were sunk, when they defended the tug Minotaur on the night of 3/4 July.
Was their damage on the night of June 26/27 so insignificant?

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« Letzte Änderung: 23 Oktober 2018, 19:36:22 von cam »