Frachter Eugenie (4882 BRT)

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Darius

Hallo zusammen,

im Buch von Naims/Frädrich stehen keine Details zu den brit. Fahrzeugen.
Ich habe mir aber eine andere Quelle angeschaut:

Admirality War Diary:

20.06.1942:
ZitatOffensive Patrols.
[...] Weather permitting carry out following offensive patrols tonight.
(1) One unit M.T.Bs. between R.B.5 and R.B.4.
(2) One unit M.G.Bs. vicinity Thornton Ridge.
There is a possibility of one 380' M/V with escort moving N.E. during the night.
All units to be 30 miles off shore by first light.(C. in C. Nore, 1454B/20 to BEEHIVE.)

21.06.1942
ZitatA force of M.T.Bs. and M.G.Bs. which were sent last night to intercept a large enemy ship proceeding northward from Boulogne had engagements with E or R boats and left an armed patrol vessel on fire. Our vessels suffered no damage or casualties.

[...]
Interception of Enemy Convoy.
Last night 20/21 in anticipation of a large vessel continuing Eastward passage from Boulogne, Force A (MTB 218, 219 and 221), Force B (MTB 45, 44, 48) and Force Y (MGB 315, 329 and 319) were sent to wait at No. 2 buoy from 2330. Force A and Y had orders to attack in company off Calais and Force B shortly afterwards. There was a flat calm with mist near enemy coast. At 2330 R.D.F. plotted about 10 vessels, one or two of them large, leaving Boulogne eastwards at six knots.
Accurate interception was upset by No. 2 buoy being extinguished and not located, as well as by the unexpectedly slow speed of enemy delaying the attack. Force A, with whom Force Y had previously lost contact, encountered and could not get past screen of E/R Boats. Aircraft of 11 Group were successfully flown over the target under ground control to cause a diversion and a very considerable amount of flak and starshells was put up from enemy ships and shore. Starshells had also been fired in Gris Nez area when none of our forces was in vicinity. Hurricande bombers had to return without attacking owing to low visibility. Enemy vessel presumably including 380-foot M/V which had arrived Boulogne yersterday morning, entered Dunkirk about 0430. (V.A. Dover 1043B/21 to Admty.)
Last night 20/21 MTB 234 and 76 supported by MGB 76, 58, 60 and 64 were sent to patrols RB 4 and 5 to intercept large enemy ship possibly proceeding northward from Boulogne.
MGB 76 reports action as joined by MGBs with one small armed patrol vessel of 150 tons in 51°29'N 03°01'E at 0250/21. Action lasted till 0315 when vessel was left stopped and on fire. Several other actions with E or possibly R Boats developed during and after this engagement.
Enemy vessels used Cannon and light machine guns firing red and green tracer.
MTB 234 reports that thorough search was made but no torpedo target could be found though six or more E or R Boats were sighted. No casualties or damage reported by our forces though MTB 241 originally with the force returned early with defects. Visibility reported as 2 to 3 miles. (C. in C. Nore 1108B/21 to Admty.)


:MG:

Darius

Urs Heßling

moin,

die genannte "Force A" mit MTB 218, MTB 219 und MTB 221 war die Gruppe, die 5 Wochen zuvor erfolgreich das "Stier"-Geleit angegriffen hatte :
(Zitat Chronik)
9.– 19.5.1942
Kanal
Ausmarsch des Hilfskreuzers Schiff 23/ Stier (FKpt. Gerlach) .. In den Frühstunden des 13.5. ... Danach Angriff britischer Schnellboote. Iltis (Kptlt. W. Jacobsen †, 118 Tote) und Seeadler (Kptlt. Strecker, 85 Tote) sinken nach Torpedotreffern von MTB 221 und MTB 219.
(Zitat Ende)

Der genannte Einsatz von MTB 234 war einer der ersten von https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gerald_Charles_Dickens, dem Urenkel des berühmten Schriftstellers.

Gruß, Urs

"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

TW

#17
Ok, Urs, aber Force A, B und Y fanden - wenn ich es richtig verstehe - hier keinen Kontakt.

Das Gefecht nahmen die MGBs auf und 1 (?) Flugzeug der 11. Gruppe Coastal Command:

MGB 76 reports action as joined by MGBs with one small armed patrol vessel of 150 tons in 51°29'N 03°01'E at 0250/21. Action lasted till 0315 when vessel was left stopped and on fire. Several other actions with E or possibly R Boats developed during and after this engagement.

Die Eugenio C. selbst wurde von den MGBs nicht angegriffen.

Aircraft of 11 Group were successfully flown over the target under ground control to cause a diversion and a very considerable amount of flak and starshells was put up from enemy ships and shore.

Im Chronik Text (siehe #1) muss MTB in MGB geändert werden: es war ein MGB-Gruppe unter Führung von MGB 76. Die deutsche Seite kann ich - dank Darius - auch ziemlich genau anführen: Vp-Boote 1505/06/07/09/11, 1811/13, 16 Boote der 2. und 12. R-Flottille

cam

Hi,

Darius,
Thank you very much!  top top top top top top top  :TU:)

Urs
... die genannte "Force A" mit MTB 218, MTB 219 und MTB 221 war die Gruppe, die 5 Wochen zuvor erfolgreich das "Stier"- Geleit
"Stier"- Geleit attack MTB 219, MTB 220 and MTB 221. MTB 220 sunk.

TW
War diary, june 1942 https://archive.org/stream/wardiarygermann341942germ/wardiarygermann341942germ_djvu.txt
Channel Coast:
During the night of 20 Jun., the steamer EUGENI0 and her
escort were attacked at Calais by 3 or 4 PT boats and at the same
time by several planes, but were able to put into port without any
damage or losses.

North Sea :
During the night of 20 Jun., the 32nd Mine Sweeper Flo-
tilla had an engagement with enemy PT boats near Zeebrugge. 3
motor gunboats were sunk, while some others were probably damaged. The fight was broken off by the enemy. Mine Sweeper M "3230" was
severely damaged, but was able to reach Zeebrugge. Our losses
amounted to 6 killed and 10 wounded.



MTB 218, 219 and 221 attack convoy Eugenio C. and MTB 234 and 76 supported by MGB 76, 58, 60 and 64 attack Mine Sweeper M "3230" near Zeebrugge.

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TW

Nein, das überzeugt mich nicht:

Force A and Y had orders to attack ...
Accurate interception was upset ...
unexpectedly slow speed of enemy delaying the attack.
Force Y lost contact ...
Force A encountered ... and could not get past screen of E/R Boats.


Außerdem sind nach Deiner Darstellung, cam, 4 MTB plus 4 MGB im Angriff.
Das deutsche KTB spricht aber nur von 3-4 MTB;
wobei MTB und MGB im Eifer des Gefechts leicht zu verwechseln sind.

Viele Grüße

cam

TW

MTB 218, 219 and 221 attack convoy near Calais, MGB 76, 58, 60 and 64 attack Mine Sweeper M "3230" near Zeebrugge. This corresponds to the German KTB.

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TW

Zitat von: cam am 24 Mai 2018, 19:39:38
TW

MTB 218, 219 and 221 attack convoy near Calais, MGB 76, 58, 60 and 64 attack Mine Sweeper M "3230" near Zeebrugge. This corresponds to the German KTB.

cam

I am confused.  Perhaps you are right.
Best Regards
Thomas

cam

Hi,

Colleagues. Thank you for your help. The questions of the topic are solved.

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