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Offline kgvm

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #15 am: 27 Mai 2014, 19:14:28 »
In my opinion the pictures show the wreck at Suda.
While in German service she received later (1942?) a pair of additional AA-guns between the boats and the racks for the depthcharges (see Anhang 3 of Dimitris), but neither the guns nor the struts are visible in the pictures of the wreck!

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #16 am: 29 Mai 2014, 00:37:32 »
To clarify, my personal opinion is that photo "UJ2104 Darvik am Strand.jpg" shows the ship beached at Suda and "Anhang-1" shows the ship half sunk at Astypalaia.  As Klaus mentioned the absence of the AA guns and their shields is indicative that it was taken during the time she spend beached at Suda. By coincidence, I just returned from a visit in Suda and the War Cemetary there.

Dear Klaus I am not sure if those shields are visible or not in photo Anhang-1. However I think that the backdrop in this photo does not match with Suda where from all angles there should be a much higher mountainside visible (like in the first photo). On the other hand, Glino is a short islet. It might be my imagination but I think I can see the same creek from Google maps. (attachment 1)

Dear Dimitris, as for the mast seen halfsunk, it could belong to a number of small vessels that also sunk around Maltesana. e.g. an Italian water carrier, a floating crane etc
Also, I suppose that the presence of the depth charge ramps shown at Anhang-3 does not necessarily mean that it is during her German days, as she was also used as a submarine chaser during her time in the RN.

Ich finde es sehr schön, dass du einen Artikel über dieses legendäre Schiff schreibst (auf griechisch oder auf Englisch?). Ich hoffe, dass dadurch endlich die offizielle Geschichte der griechischen Marine korrigiert wird, die den U-Jäger 2104 als von dem griech. Zerstörer VASILISSA OLGA (Queen Olga) versenkt hält.
The article will first be published in a Greek magazine and shortly afterwards in a European. I will keep all of you posted when it appears.
I feel that whatever mistakes have been corrected by K.Metallinos in the book "Vassilisa Olga, a destroyer in the swilre of war" (1996, Naval Museum of Greece) which I feel is the first choise when it comes to the story of VAS.OLGA.
Metallinos mentions that FAULKNOR and ECLIPSE commenced fire against PAULA and VAS.OLGA against PLUTO. "After two or three succesful salvoes against PAULA, FAULKNOR switched target and fired against the German patrolboat." He also mentions the report of the British commander (8th D.F. No.0097/393/20-9-1943) that "after she was hit and left sinking nobody actually saw her sink though her echo faded on the Radar. I am confident now after reports from ECLIPSE and QUEEN OLGA that the vessel sank about 00.50". Then Metallinos describes who the UJ escaped to Astypalaia and felt into Italian hands.
He concludes that her two single 20mm guns and the machine guns were removed by the Italians to strengthen their A.A.
As the book is in Greek, I upload page 74 from the book "War in the Aegean : The Campaign for the Eastern Mediterranean in World War II"
by Peter C. Smith & Edwin R. Walker (1974, 2008, Stackpole Books) that describes the naval battle off Astypalaia. (attachment 2)

Weißt ob tatsächlich die KOS XXIII in DARVIK umbenannt wurde? Sie wird als KOS XXIII überall in dem Kriegstagebuch der Royal Navy erwähnt und das bis zu ihrem Verlust. Außerdem in all den LRS-Eintragungen wird der Name DARVIK nirgendwo erwähnt. Weißt du wie dieser Name ins „Spiel“ kam?   
According to Gröner, Vol.8/1 the renaming of KOS XXIII to DARVIK occured when she became UJ.2104 in February 1942. That is UJ2104 was DARVIK, like ZG3 was HERMES etc

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Offline Dimitris Galon

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #17 am: 06 November 2014, 15:59:12 »
Kreta hat sich eine ganze Weile aus den gesunkenen Dampfern selbst versorgt. Möglich also, daß das Oberdeck der ROKOS noch über Wasser war und somit man Zugang zu den Ladeluken hatte.

Ja René so ist es wohl gewesen:


Offline Dimitris Galon

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #18 am: 20 November 2014, 14:00:22 »
Ergänzend dazu ein Bericht von Lieut-Commander John Reid R.N.V.R. über den Verlust der KOS 23 in der Bucht von Suda am 20.5.1941.

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #19 am: 31 Januar 2015, 18:37:30 »
Dido wrote:
"my personal opinion is that photo "UJ2104 Darvik am Strand.jpg" shows the ship beached at Suda and "Anhang-1" shows the ship half sunk at Astypalaia."
My opinion, too, and for confirmation look at the position of the mast in photo "Anhang-1", it's behind the bridge, while the original configuration (and the configuration in her first time with the Kriegsmarine) was in front of the bridge!!

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #20 am: 09 April 2015, 18:52:20 »
Hier ein Foto das die Kohlenübernahme von dem Wrack des Dampfers ROKOS (Argostoli 95) in der Suda Bucht im Jahr 1941 zeigt. Rechts die DALESMAN.

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Re: Dampfer ROKOS
« Antwort #21 am: 20 Mai 2015, 11:35:44 »
Dear Dimitri the photo that you attached probably shows the ship when she was grounded at Suda Bay. At Astypalaia she half sunk with her deck awash. However the interesting about this unit is that her last part of her story has not been described yet. I am currently preparing a short article that will include her full story. I hope that it will be published in a couple of months and I will post the relevant part in UJ.2104's thread afterwards.
Following the publishing of the aforementioned article in Greek last October, I would like to inform you that the issue Nr 2/2015 (130) of the magazine Okrety Wojenne futures an article that describes the stories of the ex-whale catchers that raised the Greek flag, including UJ.2104.
Following the end of the war the wreck of UJ.2104 was raised and sold by the British authorities to Greek owners who rebuilt her as the motor cargo ship ASTYPALAIA. She was lost on 25 December 1962 by grounding at Lemnos island.

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tankleichter ARES
« Antwort #22 am: 23 Dezember 2017, 15:22:15 »
23.05.43
05.50 Uhr Schlepper Vulkan, Agios Georgios, Cafaldo mit Tankleichter Ares, F 124 und havarierter Dampfer Rokos, F 330 mit 46 ts Feldpost und Leergut, F 308 mit Kfz und GK 01 nach Piräus.

Τhe tankleichter ARES mentioned above deserves a little attention as she had an interesting story. She was built in 1912 by A.G. Vulcan in Stettin as the torpedo boat KERAVNOS (attached) for the Greek Navy. She and her sister NEA GENEA belonged to the German V1 class of torpedo boats. She was decommissioned in 1919 and laid up until auctioned in 1924. Her new owners reduced her to a barge and she was renamed ARES in 1933 and ALEXANDROS in 1960. She was last mentioned in 1984 when she changed hands for the last time. More information on the story of KERAVNOS and her sister, can be found on the current issue of "Marine-Nachrichtenblatt".