Schnellboote

[alo41]

Hi Urs,

I found what I was looking for. http://militaria.forum-xl.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=722

"S221 with Lt. J.M. Moore DSC RNVR (now Sir John) and John Davies on the bridge the boat is reconizable by the Ace of clubs sign on the side of the bridge, the boat astern is S212 this had a large S painted on its side with a crest on its bow. Out of picture will be S213 , the three boats were escorted from DEN Helder by five boats from the 21st MTB Flotilla led by their C.O. Lt. Cdr. G.j. Mac Donald DSO, DSC, RNZVR.
The boats arrived at Hornet on Friday 22nd May 1945, Lt. Cdr. MacDonald was to be wed in Aberdeen the following day. On the pontoon is Lt. James (known as Jimmie) Riddle who rejoiced in the title of Berth Control Officer"


The two 6 S-Ftl boats here in Gosport with a "B" and "S" marking are here identyfied as S 212 (ObLt Alfred Schannow) and S 213 (Lt Reinhard Bucher).

[Urs Heßling]

hello, Alo,

I base the use of the family names on the boats seen in 1945.

well, we both know that the letters were based on the first names before. I recall the discussion about the "HaJü" code, wasn´t that on a boat in 1945, too (the first boats going to GB after surrender) ?

IMO this one event in 1945 isn´t a valid proof against a well-used and known practice (for years). Do you think they changed that, somewhere in 1945 ?

anyway, what´s your opinion on my

"mystery boat" : letters Je for Jens-Ingwer Matzen (S 76),

?

greetings, Urs

[alo41]

Hej Urs,

I fully agree with you, the other Flottillen (4, 7, 8 S-Ftl (First on the side and first and last on the aft) and 2 S-SchulFtl) used the first name. I say that the 6 S-Ftl was diffrent and used the last name. 2 S-Ftl used the playing cards, 3 S-Ftl used sea creatures, 5 S-Ftl had nothing at all, 1 S-Ftl had a few individual markings. There was not one system. Each Flottile had thire own.

It is difficult to see the mystery boat. The text is very diffrent if it says Je, smaller? I think it is something else. Mayby it is the "over painted" boat from the photos below?

More 1945 6 S-Ftl from the Atlantik-Pirat post. (originals E.J. Bakker)

/Alo

[PT Dockyard]

^{There is one more photo showing a typ S 151 boat with a Drilling. The photo in your post shows two typ S 151 and one typ S 30 (with armor!), all with Drilling MG 151.}


I think the armored S30 boat is S61. Her bow looks damaged and S61 was involved in a collision late in the war.

http://s-boot.net/pics/kriegsmarine/ancona45-kl.jpg

Can anyone provide information on her armored bridge? Was this the only S-boot that had her bridge modified in the field?

Dave G
The PT Dockyard

[Urs Heßling]

hello, Alo,

I say that the 6 S-Ftl was diffrent and used the last name.

you may be right, but I would like to see examples of that from time before, e.g., 1943.

It is difficult to see the mystery boat. The text is very diffrent if it says Je, smaller?

I think that it is a large first letter "J" followed by one or two smaller letters.
We had that in another picture with Wulff for Wulff Fanger (S 118).

greetings, Urs

[PT Dockyard]

One more question- the two sets of twin guns right behind the bridge almost look like British .303 Vickers as on MTBs. That seems virtually impossible though, so does anyone have any ideas on these?

Dave G
http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18105.0;attach=68387;image

[Spee]

Hi Dave,

the photo was made at the italian port Grado, so I believe the twin guns are italian 13,2mm Breda.

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Dave and Thomas,

the photo was made at the italian port Grado, so I believe the twin guns are italian 13,2mm Breda.

what is even more conclusive is the fact that this boat is one of the Italian Lürssen-designed MS which later served in the Kriegsmarine as S 621-630, thus, for an Italian boat, armament with Italian weapons would be quite "natural".

greetings, Urs

[alo41]

Hi Dave G,

It is not very clear but I think she is armed with one twin 2 cm Flack 38 aft and two twin MG 15 midship Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/21701657 and an italian MG at the front.

/Alo

[PT Dockyard]

The one on the bow looks like a 20mm Breda.

[alo41]

Yes, I think it is a Breda 20-65 mod 1940. Link: http://www.culturanavale.it/documentazione.php?id=357

/Alo

[alo41]

Hi,

I had forgotten that we had more photos posted of the "Fang den Hut" boat.

The attached photo in the no. 162 post shows the Breda gun mount clearly.

Link:  http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,18105.150.html     
« Antwort #162 am: 24 November 2012, 12:40:59 »

/Alo

[alo41]

  ^{one typ S 30 (with armor!), all with Drilling MG 151.}


I think the armored S30 boat is S61. Her bow looks damaged and S61 was involved in a collision late in the war.

http://s-boot.net/pics/kriegsmarine/ancona45-kl.jpg

Can anyone provide information on her armored bridge? Was this the only S-boot that had her bridge modified in the field?

Dave G
The PT Dockyard

Hi Dave,

It looks like S 57 also had armor.  Link: http://www.water-frame.com/ansicht-galerie_wracks-25-fba52045.htm

/Alo

[alo41]

The Schnellboot S 112 is quite famous. It was used for radar testing when it was with the 4 S-Ftl. Later (1945) it took part in the Granville raid from the Chanell Islands.

From S-Boot.net.
"S 112" hatte von St. Peter Port/Guernsey aus an dem Handstreich des VAdm Hüffmeier auf Granville am 07.02.1945 teilgenommen und war nach Abbruch der Aktion wieder in St. Peter Port eingelaufen. Mit nur einer fahrbereiten Maschine verlegte es nach St. Lorient. Der Kommandant (Lt.z.S. Nikkelowski) verunglückte im April tödlich. Das marode Boot blieb in St. Lorient liegen und wurde von der französischen Marine am 27.06.1951 zum Abwracken verkauft."

Hi

I found this photo Link: http://s60.photobucket.com/user/bigboywooly/media/Ports/wilhelms/ConstantaSuitGhiol117.jpg.html#/user/bigboywooly/media/Ports/wilhelms/keroman9.jpg.html?&_suid=137228009759207935485409789832

It shows a late war typ S 38b in St. Lorient. Could it be S 112?

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Alo,

It shows a late war typ S 38b in St. Lorient. Could it be S 112?

If the caption is true, there is, by pure reasoning, little alternative.
I do not know of any other boat that deployed to the Bay of Biscay (or even Brest, save S 145).

greetings, Urs