Schnellboote

[alo41]

Thganks Chris,

I have the Waffen Revue covering the MG 151. It does not go into the crew numbers. I would assume a crew of 2 (one leader and one aiming and fireing).

Link to a Drilling photo: http://forum.atlantik-pirat.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=486&start=15

There are a few photos showing it mounted on other small boat. I have never sean it on a typ S 38/100. There is a report stating that a twin ex Luftwaffe 15 mm gun was mounted on S 199.

S 199 Link (from Maurice post on Atlantik Pirat): http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14056770

/Alo

[s142]

Hi Alo

... small "c"     .... you have a PN...

MfG
Chris

[s142]

Hi Alo
I hope you are online....

Hier das Bild  des Drillings aus dem  ...atlanic  Forum..  der  Quellennachweis ist nicht wirklich ersichtlich.
Deshalb bitte ich auch wieder auf Löschung des Bildes.

MfG
Chris

[alo41]

Hi Chris,

There is one more photo showing a typ S 151 boat with a Drilling. The photo in your post shows two typ S 151 and one typ S 30 (with armor!), all with Drilling MG 151.

Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14057620

/Alo

[alo41]

I have tryed to figure out where the crew were stationed on the Schnellboot.

My first try is a crew of 21 on a typ S 38 boat (yes, I know that the drawing is a typ S 100)
I have a problem with to few Matrosen to man the Flak guns if they had to do the navigation, stearing, look out etc. I also have 4 or 5 MaschGefr. over. Were they all needed in the machine room or did they also do deck service like look out, manning guns etc?

I checked the crew for on of the post war Schnellboot. There they had one Maat and one Gefreiter for each engine and one Gefreiter for the electrical. I think it must have been the same on the wartime boats.

Link: http://www.wer-weiss-was.de/theme138/article3841608.html

21 Crew lay out link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14064047

I still feel that there are very few saliors to man the Flak guns.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

hallo,

An other qustion. Were the motors used to turn the boat faster?

Im Hafen, beim An- und Ablegen: ja , im Kampfeinsatz: meines Wissens nein

Urs your statement about the panel is this just for the older S-Booten or the same for later war S-100's ?

Jetzt weiß ich nicht, worauf Du Dich beziehst, bitte noch einmal fragen.

I have tryed to figure out where the crew were stationed on the Schnellboot.

My first try is a crew of 21 on a typ S 38 boat (yes, I know that the drawing is a typ S 100)
I have a problem with to few Matrosen to man the Flak guns if they had to do the navigation, stearing, look out etc. I also have 4 or 5 MaschGefr. over. Were they all needed in the machine room or did they also do deck service like look out, manning guns etc?

I checked the crew for on of the post war Schnellboot. There they had one Maat and one Gefreiter for each engine and one Gefreiter for the electrical. I think it must have been the same on the wartime boats.

Da stimme ich zu. Wenn Soldaten der Maschinenlaufbahn an Oberdeck eingesetzt wurden (bei ZOBEL), dann als Helfer bei Minenwerfen und als Munitionsmanner an den Geschützen (beides halte ich auch bei den Kriegsbooten für möglich und sinnvoll).

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

I thought that there might have been a second set of push buttoms to the right of the machine telegraph. There are not many photos showing that side but it appears that there is no second set. I now think that the buttoms had two settings (on/off or red/green). The pannels in the motor room have all two push buttoms. I think they were used to turn the red and the green lamps off after the order were recived. The system were then ready for new orders.

Hi,

I checked what the machine telegraph looked like on a Jaguar boat (first Schnellboot built after the war) on the Schnellboot.net site. Link: http://schnellboot.net/de/bundesmarine-deutsche-marine/schnellboote/typ-140-jaguar-klasse/bilder/nachlass-froehlich/index.php?r=3

It looks like they first had one set of red/green push buttoms and then another set to send the signal to one of the four engines. I think the same system were used on the wartime boats. I still need to find the red/green buttoms.
Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14083756/sizes/o

Later it looks like they changed to a set of red/green buttoms for each engine.
Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14083759/sizes

/Alo

[alo41]

18 Juni, S 112 went to St. Malo, commander ObStrm Deppe (5 S-Ftl)
28 Juni, S 145 went to St. Malo. Commander StOStrm Seifert (9 S-Ftl), ObFähnr Behnken (9 S-Ftl) is probebly on board.
4 July, Both boats continued to Brest. Oblt. Johann Schmöltzer (5 S-Ftl) is new commander on S 112 (ref. Hümmelchen)
15 July, 5 S-Ftl hands over S 112 to 9 S-Ftl. OLt Beck is apointed as new commander (did he ever get to Brest?). Behnken is probebly acting commander of S 112 (under repaire) in Brest. Is Behnken commander after 1 Aug when Beck ends his command?
5 Aug. S 145 recives bomb damage in the Brest U-boot bunker. (S 112 is now the better boat)
15 Aug. Behnken and Seifert switches boats. Behnken is now commander on S 145 and Seifert on S 112.
? Sep. Schirren commander on S 145. How did he get to Brest? Brittany was isolated since 5 Aug? How did he and Seifert get out of Brest?
10 Sep. S 112 manage to get away to St. Peters port. Behnken is probebly on the boat together with the U-Boot commander. Lt. Nikelowski takes over S 112 when they get to St. Peters port.
15 Sep. New commander Beer dies on S 145 in Brest. Boat is destroyed before Brest falls on 18 Sep.
1 Okt. Seifert and Schirren back with 9 S-Ftl
30 Nov. Behnken leaves St. Peters port.
I think there are some room for Behnken to be commander. Hümmelchen is also confirming this for S 145. I think this is a good example of the confusion that excists when comparing diffrent sources. It would have been intresting to see the original Soldbuch.

Hi,
I just got one part of the Kriegstagebuch der Seekriegsleitung 1939-1945, Teil A Band 64/1 (1-15 Dec. 1944)
I think it shows how young Lt. Behnken manged to get back home from the Channel islands.

"3.12.44, Von Kanalinseln wurde 3 Jüngere Seeoffiziere mit rückkehrendem Versorgungsflugzeug in die Heimat überführt."

There is also described how they tryed to get torpedos in for S 112.

Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14105205/sizes/o
/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Alo,

guter Fund 

There is also described how they tryed to get torpedos in for S 112.

Wo?

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

The torpedos were discussed on another page. Link: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/14105719/sizes/o

The discusion then continued over the 15 days period covered in my copy.

/Alo

[alo41]

I saw some new photos on the Förderverein Schnellboote web page. Link: http://www.foerderverein-museums-schnellboot.de/sboote-km-norwegen2.htm
They are said to be of S 201 in Norway. It is not correct. S 201 was a typ S 100 and the boat here is a typical typ S 38b. It still looks like Norway. I think it is one of the 1 S-BootSchulFtl boats. The marking is strange. The 1 S-BootSchulFtl typicly had singe letters as marking. There are now three photos of 1945 Schnellboote whith "V" markings that I know of. I have not manged to link the Vs to any commander. Is it some new 1945 system?

1 S-BootSchulFtl
1 S-BootFtl
6 S-BootFtl

One more "V" boat in Wilhelmshaven (or maybe the one from 6 S-Ftl).  Link: http://www.bunker-whv.de/bu_sites/utorund2.html

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Alo,

Die Bildunterschrift "Frühe 40er Jahre" ist meiner Meinung nach falsch.
Die Szene datiere ich auf den Sommer 1945 (nach Kapitulation und Auslieferung)

Die sichtbare Nummer des Bootes hinter dem "V"-Boot ist schwer zu entziffern. Kann es "174" sein ? ( die Nummern 124, 126, 134, 136 und 176 kommen ja wg. Verkauf oder Verlust nicht in Frage)

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi again,

There were some new Ijmuidin Schnellboot photos on ebay. Two boats marked K and N on the side plate. It might be that the letter was repetaed on the aft and then there is a H boat as well. It could also be that it is some other Rote marking. I can not see what the other photo might say, anyone?

The letters in this possition was used by the 6 S-Ftl and it indicated the commanders family name.

The boats are typ S 38b and could be S 91 Nolte and S 79 Korn (possibly also S 114 Hemmer), Spring 1944??

K and N boats  http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/21462643
Mystery boat  http://www.ipernity.com/doc/264262/21462639

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Alo,

The letters in this position was used by the 6 S-Ftl and it indicated the commanders family name.

Are you quite sure about that ? AFAIK, the letters referred only to the first name (Vorname).

The boats are typ S 38b and could be S 91 Nolte and S 79 Korn (possibly also S 114 Hemmer), Spring 1944??

my explanation with first names is as follows
H = Nitsche, Heinz (S 114) or Nolte, Heinz
K = Rindfuß, Karl (S 128)
N = ? no explanation, maybe for Nitsche or Nolte as "H" couldn´t be used twice
I don´t know Schnebel´s (S 97) first name.
"mystery boat" : letters Je for Jens-Ingwer Matzen (S 76), confirms my first name idea.

Pictures must be from Winter 1943/44 or Summer 1944 as 6th flotilla deployed to the Baltic from February to June, 1944 (more or less without military effect)

greetings, Urs

[alo41]

Urs,

I base the use of the family names on the boats seen in 1945. I will have to dig out that information again. It was lost when the Atlantik-Pirat site closed.

/Alo