Kormoran crew list revising

Hubertus · 16 März 2012, 06:53:25

Iam revising the crew list for Kormoran, those anyone know the number of crew on the ship,also how many died when sunk. number of Pows.
My list have crew members
from RAMSES which iam taking out.
Iam searching Australian Archives.
Is there a list of crew members in Germany.
Many thanks for any info
Cheers Herb.

Hubertus · 17 März 2012, 08:02:36

Here is some of what i have found.

Elmecker   Wilhelm   MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". Pow.26.11.41. picked up Koolinda. Escaped 10.07.46 surrendered 20.01.47 Melbourne.         29.04.1922   Mardetschlag   5546/40.S.
Emmerich   Edgar   VerwMt   "KORMORAN". Pow.27.11.41. pick up Yandra. Escaped 15.08.46-27.08.46.         31.01.1916   Frankfurt am Main   N.733/37.S.
Falk   Erich   MaschHpt   "KORMORAN". Pow.24.11.41. pick up Trocas. Escaped 25.11.44-30.11.44.         25.02.1921   Colnrade   N.5015/39.T.
Detmers   Theodor-Anton-Günther   Kapt.z.S.01.04.43.   "HERMANN SCHOEMANN" "Z.7" Cdr.(26.10.38-19.02.39)(07.04.39-15.07.40). "KORMORAN" Cdr.(09.10.40-19.11.41). Pow. 27.11.41. picked up by ship Yandra. Escaped 11.1.45-18.01.45.   Hamburg-Wandsbek   04.11.1976   22.08.1902   Witten-Ruhr.   Crew of 1921   E.K.2. 29.11.39. E.K.1. 16.06.40. R.K. 04.12.41.
Homann   Heinz-Joachim   MtrHptGfr   "KORMORAN". Pow.27.11.41. picked up Centaur. Escaped 10.07.46 surrendered 15.11.47.         21.08.1921   Berlin   N.643/40.S.   E.K.2.
Jacobeit   Erich   SchrbMt   "KORMORAN". Pow.24.11.41. picked up Trocas. Escaped 15.08.46-27.08.46.         13.12.1917   Essen
Jansen   Rudolf-Wilhelm   Lt.z.S.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. picked up Ashore. escaped 11.01.1945-14.01.1945.         20.07.1914   Oberhausen
Kitsche   Heinz   OMaschMt   "KORMORAN". Pow.23.11.41. pick up shore. Escaped 21.09.46-22.09.46.      Knauthe   Otto-Bruno   MaschMt   "KORMORAN". Pow.23.11.41.picked up ashore. escaped 31.10.44-03.11.44. escaped 21.09.46-22.09.46. escaped 08.10.46-04.02.47.         29.02.1916   Reinhardtsgrimme      E.K.2.
Kobelt   Paul-Adolf   BtsMt   "KORMORAN". Pow.27.11.41. picked up Centaur. Escaped 16.08.46-01.09.49. released on parole 05.08.1950. wanted poster in files.         15.10.1914   Eschede      E.K.2.


Herb.

Ulrich Rudofsky · 17 März 2012, 13:05:37

Etwas zum Thema KORMORAN
Kormoran Links: http://www.navy.gov.au/Special:Search?search=kormoran&fulltext=Search http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_SYDNEY_and_KORMORAN_DOCUMENTS
Willy Schrüfer/ RAMSES: http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/InterviewwithWillySchruef.html

Hubertus · 18 März 2012, 11:27:48

Hi Ulrich,

Many thanks for the links,

Cheers Herb.

AND1 · 08 Mai 2012, 17:21:34

Handelsstörer von Gehard Hümmelchen
listet die Offiziere, Schiffsärzte, Meteorologen und Prisenoffiziere. Anhang Seite 515

Hubertus · 09 Mai 2012, 07:47:16

Hi And1,

I do not have a copy of Handelsstörer.
here are the Offiziers.

Ahl   Heinrich-Friedrich   OLt.z.S. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN" Pilot of Arado plane. Pow.02.12.41. picked up ashore 80 miles N of Carnarvon.         30.07.1916   Mainz   Crew of 1936
Bloh von      Lt.z.S.   "KORMORAN". Cdr.prize ship "CANADOLITE".25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Bretschneider   Herbert   Kkapt. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN".Admin.Off. Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore         11.06.1909   Neustadt
Brinkmann   Wilhelm-Gerhard   KpLt.01.08.43. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". OLt.z.S. Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore.         31.03.1912   Osterfeld      E.K.2.
Bunjes   Wilhelm-Christian   Lt.z.S. Former Merchant Marines Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.27.11.41. at sea.         31.12.1902   Ipwege      E.K.2.
Detmers   Theodor-Anton-Günther   Kapt.z.S.01.04.43.   "HERMANN SCHOEMANN" "Z.7" Cdr.(26.10.38-19.02.39)(07.04.39-15.07.40). "KORMORAN" Cdr.(09.10.40-19.11.41). Pow. 27.11.41. picked up by ship Yandra. Escaped 11.1.45-18.01.45.   Hamburg-Wandsbek   04.11.1976   22.08.1902   Witten-Ruhr.   Crew of 1921   E.K.2. 29.11.39. E.K.1. 16.06.40. R.K. 04.12.41.
Diebitsch   Johannes-Otto-Emil   Lt.z.S. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore 50 miles N.of Carnarvon.         12.06.1896   Magdeburg      E.K.2.
Foerster   Kurt-Johannes   Kkapt.01.03.42.   "KONIGIN LUISE".Cdr.(09.39-05.40). "KORMORAN".I.O.(05.40-11.41). Pow.27.11.41. picked up Centaur.         09.11.1907   Frankfurt on Oder   Crew of 1924   E.K.2. E.K.1.
Gazen von (Gaza)   Egbert   Lt.ing.   "KORMORAN".+ E-ing.      20.11.1941
Gösseln von   Joachim   KpLt. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41.         03.03.1912   Burhave
Greter   Joachim-Hans   KpLt.01.10.43.   "KORMORAN". Torp.Off. Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore.         20.01.1917   Buenos Aires      E.K.2. E.K.1.
Habben Dr.   Siebelt   Mar.Ob.St.Arzt   "KORMORAN". .Pow.25.11.41. Australia. Picked up ashore.         16.08.1905   Insenhausen
Hrich   Walter   Lt.z.S. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore.         18.04.1907   Vienna Austria
Jansen   Rudolf-Wilhelm   Lt.z.S. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. picked up Ashore. escaped 11.01.1945-14.01.1945.         20.07.1914   Oberhausen
Köhn   Paul-Otto   StOFkMstr. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.26.11.41. picked up ashore.         30.10.1907   Hamburg   N.455/26.T.   E.K.2.
Kube   Bruno-Hermann   Lt.z.S. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. picked up ashore. was captian in merchant marine.         20.01.1899   Hindenburg
Lensch   Rudolph   OLt.ing.L.I. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.24.11.41. picked up Trocas.         14.02.1898   Altona   N.6061/M.T.
Lienhoop Dr.   Friedrich   Mar.St.Arzt Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.27.11.41. picked up Centaur.         02.07.1908   Bremen      E.K.2.
List Dr.   Fritz   Lt.z.S. Artilllery Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Dr.Ecomomics. Pow.25.11.41. picked up Ashore.         26.09.1907   Kiel
Malapert von   Reinhold   KpLt. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. Picked up ashore.         08.01.1914   Darmstadt      E.K.2.
Marwinski   Oskar   Waffenwart (SPR). Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.24.11.41.pick up Trocas.         04.04.1906   Allenstein   O.642/24.S.
Messerschmidt   Heinz-Christoph-Max.   KpLt.01.06.42. Kmdt.   "KONIGIN LUISE". "KORMORAN". Adj. Pow.27.11.41. at sea.         21.01.1915   Kiel      E.K.2.
Meyer   Henry-Carl-Martin   KpLt. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25 .11.41.picked up ashore Bluff Point. gunshot wound base of spine.         25.05.1901   Blankenese      E.K.2.
Schäfer   Edmund   KpLt.01.08.43. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.25.11.41. pick up on land 50 miles N Carnarvon.         06.02.1915   Dusseldorf      E.K.2.
Skeries   Fritz-Julius   KpLt. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". A.O. Pow.27.11.41.         05.04.1915   Elbing      E.K.1.
Stehr   Hermann   KpLt.ing.   "KORMORAN".+L.I.      20.11.1941
Wagner Dr.   Fritz-Bernhardt   Oberregierungsrat. Kmdt.   "KORMORAN". Pow.28.11.41. picked up Centaur.         26.05.1903   Neuland

Cheers Herb.

Urs Heßling · 09 Mai 2012, 08:57:59

hi, Herb,

you have to delete "Kmdt" (= Commanding officer) from many entries/ lines.

for entry Detmers: "HERMANN SCHOEMANN" and "Z.7" are the same (i.e., one) ship

for entry "von Gaza" , you should write Lt.(Ing.) to differentiate from Lt.ing. which could be read as "Leitender Ingenieur (L.I.)"

you should decide whether to use British or German abbreviations for the officer´s ship duties.
the synonyms are
Kmdt (Kommandant) = CO (Commanding officer), not: Commander !!, that´s a rank (like Korvettenkapitän)
I.O. (erster Offizier) = XO (Executive Officer)

greetings, Urs

Hubertus · 09 Mai 2012, 10:11:01

Hi Urs,

Why there is Kmdt after names is from German documents,as in Divisions on the ship.i think it means at central command post.

Herb.

AND1 · 09 Mai 2012, 14:38:52

Navigationsoffizier Oblt. z.S. Gustav Oetzel bis 24 .Oktober 1941
Prisenoffizier Oblt. z.S. Henry Meyer später Navigtionsoffizier
Prisenoffizier Lt. z.S. Brens
Kube Bruno-Hermann Lt. z.S bei Handelstörer Bernhard Kube

Kormoran 400 man reach 320 man the coast of Australia.
bei Red Bluff gelandet 57 man
am 17-Meilen-Brunnen gelandet 46 man
aufgenommen von:
Aquitania 26 man
Trocas 25 man
Koolinda 31 man
Centaur 61 man plus 1 Chinese
Yandra 70 man plus 2 Chinesen
ingesamt 319

Urs Heßling · 09 Mai 2012, 21:00:35

hi, Herb,

Zitat von: Hubertus am 09 Mai 2012, 10:11:01
Why there is Kmdt after names is from German documents,as in Divisions on the ship.i think it means at central command post.

even if it is so, in this case it´s plain irritating.

IMO, the HK´s didn´t have a "central command post" (like a real warship) except for the Bridge/wheelhouse.

greetings, Urs

Hubertus · 10 Mai 2012, 04:44:09

Dank And 1,

also these crew men.
Bloh von      Lt.z.S.   "KORMORAN". Kmdt.prize ship "CANADOLITE".25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Fels      FkMt   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Guhr      MaschOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Hellberg      MtrGfr   "KORMORAN". 11.02.1941 court martialed breaking into canteen. Part of prize crew for ship "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Kayserling      OMasch(D).   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Kleinhammes      MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". 11.02.1941 court martialed breaking into canteen. Part of prize crew for ship "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Mailahn      OBtsMt   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Michaelis      OMasch(D).   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Polzin      MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Schax      MaschOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Seehagen      MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Strasser      BtsMt   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Tietjen      MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Vastring      MtrHGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Wirtz      MtrOGfr   "KORMORAN". Prize crew "CANADOLITE" 25.03.41. Reached Gironde 13.04.41.
Makes 415 crew members.
Cheers Herb.