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Hi.

20 July 1943

Commander PT Boat Force, who left Salerno with six boats at
1320 on 19 Jul., advanced as far as Syracuse, after passing
Messina at 2100 and making a wide detour to the east. From
0032 - 0140 he attacked in broad formation a convoy of 3
steamers and 2 LST with 3. destroyers and 1 corvette coming
from the south and making for Syracuse. Two destroyers and
1 steamer of 3000 BRT were sunk and 1 steamer (8,000 BRT) was
hit by a torpedo, PT boat S "61" was hit several times. One
man was killed. The formation turned back to Crotone at 0140
as all ammunition was exhausted. From 03 00 - 0451 an enemy
contact " plane shadowed the formation which put in to Crotone
at 0845. For brief report, see teletype 2330.

This highly satisfactory first success by the newly established
1st PT Boat Force was apparently the reason for a heavy enemy
offensive against the new base at Crotone which had been detec-
ted by air reconnaissance. At 2230, an enemy formation of
several vessels was located 12 miles north of Punta Stilo, on
a northerly course which, at 0150 on 21 Jul. bombarded Crotone,
harbor* 1st PT Boat Force was warned shortly after the first
sighting report and left port before the bombardment.


This fight is not found other descriptions. What with the German S-boats took part in the operation? What the British ships involved in the battle?

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t-geronimo

S 30, S 33, S 54, S 61 (3. Schnellbootflottille) und S 152 und S 155 (7. Schnellbootflottille).

Ich mache daraus einen neuen Topic, da es ein neues Datum ist.
Gruß, Thorsten

"There is every possibility that things are going to change completely."
(Captain Tennant, HMS Repulse, 09.12.1941)

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Urs Heßling

moin,

Ich durchsetze den Text mit Auszügen aus dem KTB der 3. SFltl
Zitat von: cam am 03 Dezember 2016, 23:02:40
Commander PT Boat Force,
Chef der 1. Schnellbootsdivision

who left Salerno with six boats at 1320 on 19 Jul., , after passing Messina at 2100
13:15 bzw. 21:10

and making a wide detour to the east. From 0032 - 0140 he attacked
1. Sichtung 00:31, Kontaktverlust 00:33, 2. Sichtung 00:50, Angriff 01:12

in broad formation a convoy of 3 steamers and 2 LST with 3 destroyers and 1 corvette coming
from the south and making for Syracuse.
identifiziert als 3 Schiffe mit 3 Zerstörern

Two destroyers and 1 steamer of 3000 BRT were sunk and 1 steamer (8,000 BRT) was
hit by a torpedo,
S 61 (i.V. OLtzS Schulz, G., Kdt S 58) meldet einen 2-Schornstein-Zerstörer der brit G- oder H-Klasse als versenkt
S 33 (i.V. LtzS Marxen, Kdt  S 157) meldet einen 1-Schornstein-Zerstörer als versenkt
S 54 (OLtzS Schmidt, K.-D.) meldet einen Treffer auf 8000 t- Dampfer im Vorschiff
S 152 (LtzS Heye) meldet einen Nachzügler von 3000 t als versenkt


PT boat S "61" was hit several times. One man was killed.
4 cm-Treffer.
FzS Röseler schwer verwundet und trotz ärztlicher Hilfe durch Ärzte beider Flottillen verstorben


The formation turned back to Crotone at 0140 as all ammunition was exhausted.
Alle Boote melden mehrere Fehlschüsse auf Dampfer, Zerstörer und hinzugekommene Korvette, zum Teil wegen Geradeauslaufversager der lange ohne Regelmöglichkeit an Bord befindlichen Torpedos

From 03 00 - 0451 an enemy contact " plane shadowed the formation
identifiziert als Douglas Boston


Gruß, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

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Hi,

Commander PT Boat Force,
Chef der 1. Schnellbootsdivision


Previously mentioned just about flotillas. When we created a new formation?

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Hi,

It would be interesting to know what the British ships took part in the battle with the German S-boats.

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Urs Heßling

moin,

Zitat von: cam am 05 Dezember 2016, 22:17:25
.. in the battle with the German S-boats.
Es gab wohl keine Schlacht .. .. und auch kaum kein Gefecht.

Gruß, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

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Hi,

S-boats fired torpedoes themselves affected by the fire of the English. What actually happened?

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Hi,

About this action information from the British did not find. It may be that the German boats fired on each other?

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Hi,

Zitat von: Urs Heßling am 05 Dezember 2016, 23:05:27
Es gab wohl keine Schlacht .. .. und auch kaum kein Gefecht.
The battle still was. On another forum found a quote from Morison:

http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1123945#p1123945

In the small hours of 20 July, U.S.S. Niblack and PC-556, escorting two merchant vessels and two LSTs from Gela to Syracuse, sighted three torpedo wakes when about to enter the swept channel. They heard two explosions evidently "prematures" and opened fire on two torpedo boats, which fled northward, making smoke

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Urs Heßling

moin, Sergey,

wir haben einfach unterschiedliche Definitionen, was "Schlacht" (battle), "Gefecht" (engagement) und "Vorstoß" (raid) sind.

Die britische Literatur bezeichnet die Gefechte in der Dänemarkstraße am 24.5.41, in der Barentssee am 31.12.42 und am Nordkap am 26.12.43 als "battle" , für mich ist das zu hoch gegriffen.

Gruß, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

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