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Begonnen von cam, 25 März 2016, 19:03:36

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Hi,
Help to find out what it was the German ship

War diary : German Naval Staff Operations Division

CONFIDENTIAL
28 May I942..

Naval barge " lij-9 " had a brush with 2 enemy PT boats during the night of 26 May after leaving Bomba Bay. The barge was unsuccessfully attacked with I4. torpedoes; she sank 1 PT boat by a direct 7»5 cm hit an< 3- the second PT boat was forced to withdraw.

https://archive.org/stream/wardiarygermann331942germ/wardiarygermann331942germ_djvu.txt

MTB-309 and -312, which took part in the battle, were not injured.

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Urs Heßling

hi,

Zitat von: cam am 25 März 2016, 19:03:36
MTB-309 and -312, which took part in the battle, were not injured.
men and animals may be injured, but lifeless things, among them ships, may be damaged.

greetings, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

t-geronimo

It was F 149.

@ HMA-Team: Das fehlt im Lebenslauf F 149.  :wink:
Gruß, Thorsten

"There is every possibility that things are going to change completely."
(Captain Tennant, HMS Repulse, 09.12.1941)

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Thank you very much!

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Darius

Hallo zusammen,

das KTB der 2. L-Flottille ist für diesen Zeitraum sehr schwer lesbar. Hier aber meine Interpretation:
Zitat27.05.1942 F 149 auf Marsch el Misrata nach Derna 01.30 Uhr Gefecht mit 2 brit. S-Booten. S-Boote schießen Torpedos, zwei davon gehen unter F 149 durch. Abwehr mit 2cm. Beim Abmarsch wirft ein S-Boot eine Wasserbombe vor F 149, Explodiert 10m vom Achterschiff, u.a. Schraubenbeschädigungen[sehr schwer lesbar]
01.42 Uhr wird das andere S-Boot durch die 7,5cm Kanone unter Feuer genommen und mit dem 11. Schuß durch Volltreffer vernichtet[?]
[unleserlich]

Admirality War Diary:
ZitatMTBs 309 and 312 attacked F-Boats escorted by E-Boats off Bomba at 0300. 1 F-Boat was damaged and possibly sunk.
[...]
MTB 309 and 312 attacked F-boats escorted by E-boats off Bomba at 0300/27. F-boat damaged, possibly sunk. No damage or casualties in MTB´s.

Datensatz ist angepasst.

:MG:

Darius

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Zitat von: Darius am 02 April 2016, 19:16:50

das KTB der 2. L-Flottille ist für diesen Zeitraum sehr schwer lesbar. Hier aber meine Interpretation:
Zitat27.05.1942 F 149 auf Marsch el Misrata nach Derna 01.30 Uhr Gefecht mit 2 brit. S-Booten. S-Boote schießen Torpedos, zwei davon gehen unter F 149 durch. Abwehr mit 2cm. Beim Abmarsch wirft ein S-Boot eine Wasserbombe vor F 149, Explodiert 10m vom Achterschiff, u.a. Schraubenbeschädigungen[sehr schwer lesbar]
01.42 Uhr wird das andere S-Boot durch die 7,5cm Kanone unter Feuer genommen und mit dem 11. Schuß durch Volltreffer vernichtet[?]
[unleserlich]


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Thank you, Darius!

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t-geronimo

Gruß, Thorsten

"There is every possibility that things are going to change completely."
(Captain Tennant, HMS Repulse, 09.12.1941)

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cam

Hi,

What kind of a German ship English writing?

Wartime Activities.
22-23/3/43   MTB 265 and MTB 311 depart Bone to conduct an offensive sweep off Plane Island, Tunisia.
0150 Lookouts spot four vessels moving in formation. The senior officer decides that MTB 311 will attack with torpedoes and MTB 265 will cover her with gunfire if required.
0220 MTB 311 approaches, on silent engine, to attack and reaches a point 700yds from the third vessel before firing two torpedoes. The Germans return fire and MTB 311 turns to starboard to disengage. A flak lighteris is sunk, On the return trip to Bone, a mine explodes in the wake of MTB 311.


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TW

Es gab einen Konvoi am 22 / 18.30 Uhr von Susa nach Trapani. Es handelte sich im die Dampfer Orsolina Bottiglieri und Skotfoss, begleitet von ital. Zerstörer Antilope und Torpedoboot Cascino. Das Geleitet meldete einen Angriff am 23.3. um 03.00 Uhr von einem einzelnen Flugzeug ("da parte d'un aereo isolato").
Quelle: La difesa del traffico ... Vol. VIII

P.S.
Skotfoss (norw.) ab 1941 Ste Lucille (franz)
Ein Flugzeugangriff mitten in der Nacht ist m.E. eher unwahrscheinlich.

cam

Thank you.

  It is not clear what was the route of the convoy. I think the route Sousse - Trapani lay to the east of Cape Bon,  and MTB patrolled around  Plane Island.

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TW

You are right, cam.
Unfortunately I don't find Plane Island.

As you told us that a flak lighter (Flak MFP) was engaged among four vessels, I found the following entry:

4 German landing ferries (motozattere)
from 22.03./13u45 Trapani to Bizerta arriving at 23.03./08u35.
No loss mentioned. Unfortunately the numbers of lighters are not cited.

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Yes. The Plane Island  is on the way from Trapani to Bizerte. Perhaps this is the convoy that was attacked MTB, but no reports of an attack on the German side, and the British write that were fired.

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Urs Heßling

moin,

Zitat von: cam am 13 April 2016, 21:24:41
The Plane Island  is on the way from Trapani to Bizerte.
Genauer gesagt, vor Bizerta
http://www.nomarmiteintunisia.co.uk/tunisiasislands.htm  scrollen

Gruß, Urs
"History will tell lies, Sir, as usual" - General "Gentleman Johnny" Burgoyne zu seiner Niederlage bei Saratoga 1777 im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg - nicht in Wirklichkeit, aber in George Bernard Shaw`s Bühnenstück "The Devil`s Disciple"

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Thank you. Helpful information. The names of these islands are often referred to in describing battles off the coast of Tunisia.
Was sunk the night 24/03/1943 in region Bizerte   any German ship?

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#14
Hi,

War diary : German Naval Staff Operations Division

CONFIDENTIAL
24 Jun* 1944

At 2235 Group West transmitted the following survey of the situation
to all offices of it's area!
1. ... Our patrol forces had a fight with enemy PT boats off Cherbourg and south of Jersey. One of our artillery carriers was hit by a torpedo and sunk. ... 


What was the battle? What is the German ship was sunk?

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